On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 2:50 AM, ianek <jan= ek37@gmail.com> wrote:

On 27 Cze, 10:21, Jonathan Jones <e= yeo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:39 PM, Ross Ogilvie <r...@rossogilvie.id.au>wrote:

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> > Excellent run through of the translation process.
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> > One query though,
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> > lo mivyskera'a je zbaskera'a po do
> > This section of the cll (http://dag.github.com/cll/14/12/) seems to
> > suggest that this would be a thing or things that are both techno= logically
> > and biologically intrinsic to you. Perhaps {ja} would capture the= things
> > that are one or the other (or both).
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> > ie lo X .e lo Y =3D lo X ja Y
>
> la X .e lo Y !=3D lo X ja Y, la X .e lo Y =3D lo X je Y

First, it should be noted that that's your opinion and isn't = backed by
any official text (which aren't explicit in the matter of tanru
connectives).
Second, the "=3D" may suggest symmetrical equality, which is not = true,
as "lo X je Y" may be one object and "lo X e lo Y" must= be at least
two.

mu'o mi'e ianek

> But you are correct that it would have been better to use ja (and/or) = then
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> > On 24 June 2012 15:14, Devin Prater <<= a href=3D"mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com">r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> wro= te:
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> >> Oh, I am not discouraged. I just need to learn a bit more abo= ut the
> >> language and how it works more, and practice thinking more lo= gically,
> >> I'm thinking about the "ship" thing now, I can&= #39;t believe I called a
> >> starship a boat. I think translating things like this is a so= rt of
> >> creativity, because breaking things down from English words t= o what
> >> they truly are takes much creativeness, there doesn't see= m to be many
> >> word-to-word translations from English to Lojban, well not ma= ny in
> >> this case anyways. Thanks for your help and guidance.
>

> >> On 6/23/12, Jonathan Jones <eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Certainly. I'll try to remember to do so.
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> >> > to pu benji ti fo lo mi me la.android. fonxa toi
> >> > mu'o mi'e.aionys.

> >> > On Jun 23, 2012 10:27 PM, ".arpis." <= rpglover64+jbo...@gmail.co= m>

> >> wrote:
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> >> >> ki'e sai .aionys.
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> >> >> I found that extremely informative and would appreci= ate any similar
> >> >> description for future translations you do that you = are willing to
> >> >> provide.
> >> >> .i mi mutce se jungau gi'e ba da'i ckire tu&= #39;a lo simsa velski be lo nu
> >> >> ba xe fanva ku ku poi do nalpro fi lo nu sabji
>

> >> >> On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 11:34 PM, Jonathan Jon= es <eyeo...@gmail.com>

> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > That's actually the reason behind me going = through my thought
> >> process,
> >> >> > rather than merely submitting my translation. T= his is not the first
> >> >> > translation project I've attempted, nor lik= ely the last, so I have
> >> some
> >> >> > experience in hte hidden difficulties that lie = within.
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> >> >> > On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Devin Prater &= lt;

> >> r.d.t.pra...@= gmail.com>

> >> >> > wrote:
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> >> >> >> Wow. You've given me some insight on th= e translation process, that I
> >> >> >> shouldn't translate just the words, but= the true meaning, which is a
> >> >> >> little tricky sometimes, like with lower yo= ur shields. I think I
> >> >> >> should learn more Lojban before tackling th= ings like this, I thought
> >> >> >> this would be quite simple.
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> >> >> >&g= t; On 6/23/12, Jonathan Jones <eyeo= ...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> > I made a rather annoying mistake. I co= mpletely forgot to separate
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > two
> >> >> >> > sentences. There needs to be an {.i} i= n there.
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> >> >> >> > {mi'a selcme zo.borg. *.i* ko sist= i lonu nensabji lo nencalku kei
> >> >> >> > gi'e
> >> >> >> > radydu'a lo do keslo'i}
>
> >> >> >> > --
> >> >> >> > mu'o mi'e .aionys.
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> >> >> >> > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be den= pa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do
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> >> >> >> > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your= father. :D )
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