Received: from mail-fa0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]:60808) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Sjt2V-0003Zg-D4; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 07:16:16 -0700 Received: by faaa5 with SMTP id a5sf773677faa.16 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 07:16:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=P2xtu0GnLHxa1UKHld7syQpptMmPNF2M1lrf8kBlLmo=; b=wkjjoIuUi02DpFa/HPhMo7tGXiF4Y2gGCGB2RAbvy/RLsri79WSpifh4oJJxgtVp1E +SdkTg6sGrdNYBvtnrw4TxFl7ZGwQ5PNdDq2clLHD9ql80yyEOEwPeELOtco6W8Vlcr3 Y2gIuIOAS/fMoNW3Wt3vyR1NXOpn7MO0edZjM= Received: by 10.205.118.133 with SMTP id fq5mr1164230bkc.1.1340806566212; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 07:16:06 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.129.85 with SMTP id n21ls1397590bks.6.gmail; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 07:16:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.133.196 with SMTP id hz4mr270473bkc.4.1340806564008; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 07:16:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.133.196 with SMTP id hz4mr270472bkc.4.1340806563978; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 07:16:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bk0-f47.google.com (mail-bk0-f47.google.com [209.85.214.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p5si18238461bks.1.2012.06.27.07.16.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 27 Jun 2012 07:16:03 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.47; Received: by bkcjm2 with SMTP id jm2so1066776bkc.34 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 07:16:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.125.236 with SMTP id mt12mr20665012lab.12.1340806563582; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 07:16:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.29.199 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 07:15:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: MorphemeAddict Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 10:15:43 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] my first translation To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04426e90ef543d04c374da13 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d04426e90ef543d04c374da13 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Isn't "zo" just for single Lojban words? "borg" isn't a Lojban word (not a native word; it's a cmevla), so "zo" is the wrong word for marking it. How about "la'o"? stevo On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 7:14 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > For the first sentence, The Borg are identifying themselves by name. This > means that the gismu {cmene} is needed: "x1 is the name of x2...". Since > the name is first, in order to keep the order of the English intact we have > to flip {cmene} using {se}, i.e. {se cmene} or {selcme}. The x1 of {cmene} > (or the x2 of {selcme}) is a name, and so is a quoted word, which means we > use {zo}, at least for single word names. Finally, The Borg are announcing > that /they/ are the Borg, the x2 of {cmene}. We can use either {mi} or > {mi'a}, the difference being that {mi'a} explicitly excludes the > addressee(s), whereas {mi} does not. So, we have: > > {mi'a selcme zo.borg.} > > For "We are the Borg". > > I need to go do something quickly before I continue, but I'll note now > that the Starfleet vessels are not boats. > > > On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> Many corrections soon to come. I have to find the original to translate >> it, but what you have is not grammatically correct. It contains numerous >> errors. >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Devin Prater wrote: >> >>> coi rodo .i >>> I have translated, to the best of my knowledge, translated the Borg >>> message to the federation in the film "first contact" into Lojban. >>> >>> mi'a la .borg .i ko nitmau do bandu ije randa do bloti .i pu do minji >>> ije lifri ponse la .borg .i pu do kulnu cusku'i selbapselfu la .borg >>> .i xarnu no plixau fa'o >>> >>> I hope its good enough. Thanks in advance for any corrections. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >> >> > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --f46d04426e90ef543d04c374da13 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Isn't "zo" just for single Lojban words? "borg" isn= 't a Lojban word (not a native word; it's a cmevla), so "zo&qu= ot; is the wrong word for marking it. How about "la'o"?

stevo

On Sat, Jun 23, 2012= at 7:14 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
For the first sentence, The Borg are identifying themselves by name. This m= eans that the gismu {cmene} is needed: "x1 is the name of x2...".= Since the name is first, in order to keep the order of the English intact = we have to flip {cmene} using {se}, i.e. {se cmene} or {selcme}. The x1 of = {cmene} (or the x2 of {selcme}) is a name, and so is a quoted word, which m= eans we use {zo}, at least for single word names. Finally, The Borg are ann= ouncing that /they/ are the Borg, the x2 of {cmene}. We can use either {mi}= or {mi'a}, the difference being that {mi'a} explicitly excludes th= e addressee(s), whereas {mi} does not. So, we have:

{mi'a selcme zo.borg.}

For "We are the Borg".
<= br>I need to go do something quickly before I continue, but I'll note n= ow that the Starfleet vessels are not boats.


On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>= wrote:
Many corrections soon to come. I have to find the original to translate it,= but what you have is not grammatically correct. It contains numerous error= s.


On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Devin Prater <r.d.t.prater@gmail.com= > wrote:
coi rodo .i
I have translated, to the best of my knowledge, translated the Borg
message to the federation in the film "first contact" into Lojban= .

mi'a la .borg .i ko nitmau do bandu ije randa do bloti .i pu do minji ije lifri ponse la .borg .i pu do kulnu cusku'i selbapselfu la .borg .i xarnu no plixau fa'o

I hope its good enough. Thanks in advance for any corrections.

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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'= ;ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )




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mu'o = mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi= .luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father= . :D )

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