Received: from mail-wg0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]:56033) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SjuT1-0004aO-MC; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 08:47:48 -0700 Received: by wgbdt10 with SMTP id dt10sf831349wgb.16 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 08:47:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=mjhUxpFHkAK7rA8ouLOUqN9x2DAb2P9woKDaHThUiBE=; b=K1pflrQux0VMUfLnHHUvUrv0GVOyfjiZE8bqpJ68IsBA4AWmu7X8noz2NARJO+w5SS m9FKwOh1udihyznx0xx9qqulTAB4kRritAx/E30A7/sx3up3Wte+F2Eh4qSqraUs7Ck2 ZvyAbnIEUOfrvBYz1ve9QTikTSIhhFbr1ARBQ= Received: by 10.216.133.98 with SMTP id p76mr650476wei.11.1340812050819; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 08:47:30 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.100.69 with SMTP id y45ls452925eef.3.gmail; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 08:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.99.208 with SMTP id x56mr6513965eef.1.1340812049188; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 08:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.99.208 with SMTP id x56mr6513963eef.1.1340812049148; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 08:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ee0-f49.google.com (mail-ee0-f49.google.com [74.125.83.49]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b15si40233542een.0.2012.06.27.08.47.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 27 Jun 2012 08:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.49 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.83.49; Received: by mail-ee0-f49.google.com with SMTP id d17so492439eek.8 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 08:47:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.148.161 with SMTP id tt1mr21563487lab.4.1340812048853; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 08:47:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.46.36 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 08:47:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 09:47:28 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] my first translation From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.49 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f22bb3de1ebdd04c37621b1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --e89a8f22bb3de1ebdd04c37621b1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 .borg. is a cmevla, which is a Lojban word. On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:15 AM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > Isn't "zo" just for single Lojban words? "borg" isn't a Lojban word (not a > native word; it's a cmevla), so "zo" is the wrong word for marking it. How > about "la'o"? > > stevo > > > On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 7:14 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> For the first sentence, The Borg are identifying themselves by name. This >> means that the gismu {cmene} is needed: "x1 is the name of x2...". Since >> the name is first, in order to keep the order of the English intact we have >> to flip {cmene} using {se}, i.e. {se cmene} or {selcme}. The x1 of {cmene} >> (or the x2 of {selcme}) is a name, and so is a quoted word, which means we >> use {zo}, at least for single word names. Finally, The Borg are announcing >> that /they/ are the Borg, the x2 of {cmene}. We can use either {mi} or >> {mi'a}, the difference being that {mi'a} explicitly excludes the >> addressee(s), whereas {mi} does not. So, we have: >> >> {mi'a selcme zo.borg.} >> >> For "We are the Borg". >> >> I need to go do something quickly before I continue, but I'll note now >> that the Starfleet vessels are not boats. >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> >>> Many corrections soon to come. I have to find the original to translate >>> it, but what you have is not grammatically correct. It contains numerous >>> errors. >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Devin Prater wrote: >>> >>>> coi rodo .i >>>> I have translated, to the best of my knowledge, translated the Borg >>>> message to the federation in the film "first contact" into Lojban. >>>> >>>> mi'a la .borg .i ko nitmau do bandu ije randa do bloti .i pu do minji >>>> ije lifri ponse la .borg .i pu do kulnu cusku'i selbapselfu la .borg >>>> .i xarnu no plixau fa'o >>>> >>>> I hope its good enough. Thanks in advance for any corrections. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! 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Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --e89a8f22bb3de1ebdd04c37621b1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable .borg. is a cmevla, which is a Lojban word.

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:15 AM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com&= gt; wrote:
Isn't "zo" just for single Loj= ban words? "borg" isn't a Lojban word (not a native word; it&= #39;s a cmevla), so "zo" is the wrong word for marking it. How ab= out "la'o"?

stevo


On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 7:14 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com&= gt; wrote:
For the first sentence, The Borg are identifying themselves by name. This m= eans that the gismu {cmene} is needed: "x1 is the name of x2...".= Since the name is first, in order to keep the order of the English intact = we have to flip {cmene} using {se}, i.e. {se cmene} or {selcme}. The x1 of = {cmene} (or the x2 of {selcme}) is a name, and so is a quoted word, which m= eans we use {zo}, at least for single word names. Finally, The Borg are ann= ouncing that /they/ are the Borg, the x2 of {cmene}. We can use either {mi}= or {mi'a}, the difference being that {mi'a} explicitly excludes th= e addressee(s), whereas {mi} does not. So, we have:

{mi'a selcme zo.borg.}

For "We are the Borg".
<= br>I need to go do something quickly before I continue, but I'll note n= ow that the Starfleet vessels are not boats.


On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>= wrote:
Many corrections soon to come. I have to find the original to translate it,= but what you have is not grammatically correct. It contains numerous error= s.


On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Devin Prater <r.d.t.prater@gmail.com= > wrote:
coi rodo .i
I have translated, to the best of my knowledge, translated the Borg
message to the federation in the film "first contact" into Lojban= .

mi'a la .borg .i ko nitmau do bandu ije randa do bloti .i pu do minji ije lifri ponse la .borg .i pu do kulnu cusku'i selbapselfu la .borg .i xarnu no plixau fa'o

I hope its good enough. Thanks in advance for any corrections.

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.i.e'= ;ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )




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