Received: from mail-we0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]:61046) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SkIeW-0001DX-5k; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:37:17 -0700 Received: by werm13 with SMTP id m13sf1558127wer.16 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:37:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=iOeIxnzk0cxU4nn9FOPMtDIBZmB+67kqsdrSXp4KNOA=; b=67Ek0GPQKXfC+G62ApCMp3uruzqPx3J+i9sXFPJfWzt3h6Yy8BxUtPk2CTNSD0dIvm 2ROa88PKeETRxw9LiV0HOy4CNIy6g8Ri3aEN1AL0+c+pBG/4xpHrSl0zBLzH8ibaIQZ3 rh/P6ORiALMwMoAchSkheZ7aTvGG6lPGI3bXI= Received: by 10.204.154.141 with SMTP id o13mr180321bkw.25.1340905023609; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:37:03 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.154.21 with SMTP id m21ls3003077bkw.2.gmail; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:37:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.130.144 with SMTP id hm16mr418875bkc.5.1340905021742; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:37:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.130.144 with SMTP id hm16mr418874bkc.5.1340905021706; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:37:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f180.google.com (mail-lb0-f180.google.com [209.85.217.180]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ig3si972080bkc.3.2012.06.28.10.37.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:37:01 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.180 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.180; Received: by lbbgj3 with SMTP id gj3so5203283lbb.39 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:37:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.99.71 with SMTP id eo7mr1571582lbb.84.1340905021244; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:37:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.46.36 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:37:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201206281232.08320.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <201206280135.10181.phma@phma.optus.nu> <201206281232.08320.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:37:01 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Visual mem for pinxe on Memrise. From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.180 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04016a2378064c04c38bc76c X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d04016a2378064c04c38bc76c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 No it doesn't. It means that they are both participating in an act of drinking. lonu pinxe doesn't specify what is being drunk, and the recipricol-ness doesn't bleed into the event's internals. On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Thursday 28 June 2012 11:03:54 Jonathan Jones wrote: > > No, it's definietely lonu simxu, not luno kansa. re prenu cu simxu lonu > > pinxe > > simxu: x1 (set) has members who mutually/reciprocally x2 (event [x1 should > be > reflexive in 1+ sumti]). So "lu'i re prenu cu simxu lo nu pinxe", if the > two > people are Alice and Bob, means that Alice drinks Bob and Bob drinks Alice. > That's not what the drawing shows. It shows Alice and Bob both drinking > from > one cup. > > Pierre > -- > gau do li'i co'e kei do > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu>= ; wrote:
On Thursday 28 June 2012 11:03:54 Jonathan Jones wrote: > No, it's definietely lonu simxu, not luno kansa. re prenu cu simxu= lonu
> pinxe

simxu: x1 (set) has members who mutually/reciprocally x2 (event [x1 s= hould be
reflexive in 1+ sumti]). So "lu'i re prenu cu simxu lo nu pinxe&qu= ot;, if the two
people are Alice and Bob, means that Alice drinks Bob and Bob drinks Alice.=
That's not what the drawing shows. It shows Alice and Bob both drinking= from
one cup.

Pierre
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gau do li'i co'e kei do

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