Received: from mail-we0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]:62062) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SkK1v-00022H-OX; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:05:37 -0700 Received: by werm13 with SMTP id m13sf1604623wer.16 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:05:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=734iCjoYh2wUOag5Q2yZU4WadgB3/PRBRe1hQdummdc=; b=SutIiPlqDbtz/BcYRCLBVwWTrVHKMRI7+t/k5BfEyJnnJQWxYA6r0N/4/SHKjlWKAd yUeR3CW01nwBCGPWCzlVfO0m6g90oaOm3faCDOZw34VK+xT63l7y8LFR+tiliJLnAaoO dPKnEBr9K++BOLwXVTcNPtktyLX0LUcrsBEgg= Received: by 10.204.157.142 with SMTP id b14mr193007bkx.19.1340910319739; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:05:19 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.129.208 with SMTP id p16ls3211647bks.7.gmail; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:05:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.154.133 with SMTP id o5mr457633bkw.0.1340910317909; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.154.133 with SMTP id o5mr457632bkw.0.1340910317877; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bk0-f50.google.com (mail-bk0-f50.google.com [209.85.214.50]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p5si129707bks.1.2012.06.28.12.05.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.50 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.50; Received: by mail-bk0-f50.google.com with SMTP id jg9so2619883bkc.9 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:05:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.156.137 with SMTP id x9mr1843006bkw.135.1340910317707; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.125.5 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:05:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201206280135.10181.phma@phma.optus.nu> <201206281232.08320.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:05:17 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Visual mem for pinxe on Memrise. From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.50 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151759286e29a1be04c38d03c5 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --00151759286e29a1be04c38d03c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sorry, Jonathon is correct. kansa means for more than one agent to participate in an act. sinxa is an act that is done by each member of the group to another member of the group. --gejyspa On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > No it doesn't. It means that they are both participating in an act of > drinking. lonu pinxe doesn't specify what is being drunk, and the > recipricol-ness doesn't bleed into the event's internals. > > > On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > >> On Thursday 28 June 2012 11:03:54 Jonathan Jones wrote: >> > No, it's definietely lonu simxu, not luno kansa. re prenu cu simxu lonu >> > pinxe >> >> simxu: x1 (set) has members who mutually/reciprocally x2 (event [x1 >> should be >> reflexive in 1+ sumti]). So "lu'i re prenu cu simxu lo nu pinxe", if the >> two >> people are Alice and Bob, means that Alice drinks Bob and Bob drinks >> Alice. >> That's not what the drawing shows. It shows Alice and Bob both drinking >> from >> one cup. >> >> Pierre >> -- >> gau do li'i co'e kei do >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> >> > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! 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=A0 =A0Sorry, Jonathon is correct. =A0kansa means for more= than one agent to participate in an act. =A0sinxa is an act that is done b= y each member of the group to another member of the group.
=A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0--gejyspa

On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Jonathan Jo= nes <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
No it doesn't. It means that they are both participating in an act of d= rinking. lonu pinxe doesn't specify what is being drunk, and the recipr= icol-ness doesn't bleed into the event's internals.


On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu>= ; wrote:
On Thursday 28 June 2012 11:03:54 Jonathan Jones wrote:
> No, it's definietely lonu simxu, not luno kansa. re prenu cu simxu= lonu
> pinxe

simxu: x1 (set) has members who mutually/reciprocally x2 (event [x1 s= hould be
reflexive in 1+ sumti]). So "lu'i re prenu cu simxu lo nu pinxe&qu= ot;, if the two
people are Alice and Bob, means that Alice drinks Bob and Bob drinks Alice.=
That's not what the drawing shows. It shows Alice and Bob both drinking= from
one cup.

Pierre
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