Received: from mail-bk0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:38394) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SkbLl-0003yj-Cl; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 06:35:09 -0700 Received: by bkwj4 with SMTP id j4sf1894606bkw.16 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 06:34:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=5BRGTQ93POxnQd8NeogqdogNPjg6RYRNj6JBz8gcDB0=; b=wUIc/K3Kwm3Y4l7GrSFBD9SkRHdDduxILsPCedBxUmXn/733J3L1FUoYdJTpL714LY W3Gnd1jeQoaYMNmoDKyb42ptV7gQqBfnjFlg3TutzsgGFEzQOcUUtlzb2vIEcKMA/kF9 REkRUmPyJYhX+JiEv5hdRNttVeIcTw15gNATg= Received: by 10.204.128.198 with SMTP id l6mr54210bks.30.1340976897273; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 06:34:57 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.154.21 with SMTP id m21ls3723335bkw.2.gmail; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 06:34:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.130.144 with SMTP id hm16mr262523bkc.5.1340976896338; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 06:34:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.130.144 with SMTP id hm16mr262522bkc.5.1340976896303; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 06:34:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bk0-f54.google.com (mail-bk0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p5si2122431bks.1.2012.06.29.06.34.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 29 Jun 2012 06:34:56 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.54 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.54; Received: by mail-bk0-f54.google.com with SMTP id j5so1683363bkw.13 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 06:34:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.152.19 with SMTP id e19mr1047180bkw.8.1340976896012; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 06:34:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.125.5 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 06:34:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201206281700.03463.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 09:34:55 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Visual mem for pinxe on Memrise. From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.54 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175d040689f32b04c39c835a X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --0015175d040689f32b04c39c835a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Well, I will let him speak for himself, but I note he much prefers using kansi'u (a word he himself put into jbovlaste) over just plain kansa. I assume in the Ceqli cartoon, you are here referring to "mi'a kansa simxu xabju" (If there is another use of simxu on the page, I didn't spot it). Here it is appropriate because A is living with B and B is living with A. The x1 is a group, the members of which are living with each other. Without "simxu", it means "we are accompanying-type-of-living", whihc might mean we are as a group living with someone ELSE. --gejyspa On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > Hmm. Well then, I must have misunderstood him then, and now I don't > understand the reason for his insistence in the use of simxu for le > lisxra cu xe fanva fo zo'oi.Ceqli. > > > On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 6:36 AM, Michael Turniansky > wrote: > >> Umm... well, actually, yes, according to Jorge. What he was saying is >> that they are simxu only in the sense of they are simxu be lo nu kansa. In >> other words, the one is mutually (simxu) with (kansa) the other in their >> drinking. And that he agrees that simxu be lo nu pinxe means they are >> drinking each other. But that's quite broad. It's hard to imagine any >> kansa that's not simxu lo nu kansa >> >> --gejyspa >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> >>> Ah, well, not according to Jorge. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 6:21 AM, Michael Turniansky < >>> mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Just tired. Drove back four hours from a nine-hour wedding that >>>> lasted until 3:30 in the morning. I meant to say, "Sorry, Jonathon, PIERRE >>>> is correct..." (and of course sinxa -> simxu >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Thursday 28 June 2012 15:05:17 Michael Turniansky wrote: >>>>> > Sorry, Jonathon is correct. kansa means for more than one agent >>>>> to >>>>> > participate in an act. sinxa is an act that is done by each member >>>>> of the >>>>> > group to another member of the group. >>>>> >>>>> Are you contradicting yourself, or just tired? >>>>> >>>>> Pierre >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com >>>>> . >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>> (Come to the Dot Side! 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=A0 Well, I will let him speak for himself, but I note he = much prefers using kansi'u (a word he himself put into jbovlaste) over = just plain kansa. =A0I assume in the Ceqli cartoon, =A0you are here referri= ng to "mi'a kansa simxu xabju" (If there is another use of si= mxu on the page, I didn't spot it). =A0Here it is appropriate because A= is living with B and B is living with A. =A0The x1 is a group, the members= of which are living with each other. =A0Without "simxu", it mean= s "we are accompanying-type-of-living", whihc might mean we are a= s a group living with someone ELSE.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa

On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Jonathan Jones &l= t;eyeonus@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:
Hmm. Well then, I must have misunderstood hi= m then, and now I don't understand the reason for his insistence in the= use of simxu for le lisxra cu xe fanva fo zo'oi.C= eqli.


On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 6:36 AM, Michael Tur= niansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
=A0 Umm... well, actually, yes, according to Jorge. =A0Wha= t he was saying is that they are simxu only in the sense of they are simxu = be lo nu kansa. =A0In other words, the one is mutually (simxu) with (kansa)= the other in their drinking. =A0And that he agrees that simxu be lo nu pin= xe means they are drinking each other. =A0But that's quite broad. =A0It= 's hard to imagine any kansa that's not simxu lo nu kansa

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa


On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 a= t 8:31 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
Ah, well, not according to Jorge.
<= br>
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 6:21 AM, Michael = Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
=A0 Just tired. =A0Drove ba= ck four hours from a nine-hour wedding that lasted until 3:30 in the mornin= g. =A0I meant to say, "Sorry, Jonathon, PIERRE is correct..." (an= d of course sinxa -> simxu


On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
On Thursday 28 June 2012 15:05:17 Michael Turniansky wrote:
> =A0 =A0Sorry, Jonathon is correct. =A0kansa means for more than one ag= ent to
> participate in an act. =A0sinxa is an act that is done by each member = of the
> group to another member of the group.

Are you contradicting yourself, or just tired?

Pierre

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