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No, that's the problem.  Without the simxu, nothing is explicit.  All we
know is that "we" are living with someone, not who. Yes, it is IMPLICIT
that if A is living with X and B is also living with X then A is living
with B (although one can certainly contrive situations where that is not
true)  The simxu makes explicit that it is reflexive -- we are living with
each other.

  BTW, the reason (and again, I am conjecturing here) that Xorxes may
prefer kansi'u to kansa in most cases is perhaps he perceives it as
implying that lo kansa is  subordinate to lo se kansa, in that the se kansa
is the one that is actually the x1 of the lo te kansa, and lo kansa is
simply a "hanger-on". (similar to a  sidju relationship)
                                    --gejyspa


On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 7:34 AM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> ...Without "simxu", it means "we are accompanying-type-of-living", whihc
>> might mean we are as a group living with someone ELSE....
>>
>
> That's not really a problem, IMO. While it may be true that the sentence
> exactly as is, but without simxu, implies that lo go'i may be living with
> others, it's only explicit that lo go'i ARE, and in this case, the
> implication is true, since they are living with their pets and children as
> well, as we are told later in the comic.
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
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<div dir=3D"ltr">No, that&#39;s the problem. =A0Without the simxu, nothing =
is explicit. =A0All we know is that &quot;we&quot; are living with someone,=
 not who. Yes, it is IMPLICIT that if A is living with X and B is also livi=
ng with X then A is living with B (although one can certainly contrive situ=
ations where that is not true) =A0The simxu makes explicit that it is refle=
xive -- we are living with each other.<div>
<br></div><div>=A0 BTW, the reason (and again, I am conjecturing here) that=
 Xorxes may prefer kansi&#39;u to kansa in most cases is perhaps he perceiv=
es it as implying that lo kansa is =A0subordinate to lo se kansa, in that t=
he se kansa is the one that is actually the x1 of the lo te kansa, and lo k=
ansa is simply a &quot;hanger-on&quot;. (similar to a =A0sidju relationship=
)</div>
<div>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 --gejyspa</div><div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 29, =
2012 at 10:49 AM, Jonathan Jones <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ey=
eonus@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<=
br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 7:34 AM, Michael Tur=
niansky <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mturniansky@gmail.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">mturniansky@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">...Without &quot;simxu&quot;, it means &quot;we are accomp=
anying-type-of-living&quot;, whihc might mean we are as a group living with=
 someone ELSE....<br></div></blockquote><div><br>That&#39;s not really a pr=
oblem, IMO. While it may be true that the sentence exactly as is, but witho=
ut simxu, implies that lo go&#39;i may be living with others, it&#39;s only=
 explicit that lo go&#39;i ARE, and in this case, the implication is true, =
since they are living with their pets and children as well, as we are told =
later in the comic.<br>

<br></div></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&=
#39;e .aionys.<br><br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.lu=
k. mi patfu do zo&#39;o<br>(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :=
D )<br>
<br>

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