Received: from mail-lb0-f189.google.com ([209.85.217.189]:50549) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SkjEA-0000pW-VH; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 14:59:47 -0700 Received: by lbol5 with SMTP id l5sf2589940lbo.16 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 14:59:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=DHahX0fB/V7/mOGwt0fw4UKhd4kG3tME5HpxZ+4KIWQ=; b=oUcq9MLGp/3dBnjaGmdwkfQHol61HrcOlrFz/8kCLDdRgQd7QQET5SqS6lZG3N0gah BBIf2pCkH+ivcj3bwkmSjToTh+qGKherMGtrQBY0ZL8XFKYfsHTF/wHKx+gURyr8WUPv xMvPsz1euFjy6vfehCKaKqgJc8M2Pd/pgFdXQ= Received: by 10.205.127.143 with SMTP id ha15mr208264bkc.13.1341007176831; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 14:59:36 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.130.152 with SMTP id t24ls4390125bks.1.gmail; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 14:59:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.133.196 with SMTP id hz4mr463048bkc.4.1341007175148; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 14:59:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.133.196 with SMTP id hz4mr463047bkc.4.1341007175133; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 14:59:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com (mail-lb0-f182.google.com [209.85.217.182]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id iv15si3035803bkc.0.2012.06.29.14.59.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 29 Jun 2012 14:59:35 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.182 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.182; Received: by lbon10 with SMTP id n10so9295383lbo.27 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 14:59:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.86.105 with SMTP id o9mr2048485lbz.32.1341007174684; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 14:59:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.63.48 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 14:59:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201206281700.03463.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 18:59:34 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Visual mem for pinxe on Memrise. From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.182 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > > =A0 BTW, the reason (and again, I am conjecturing here) that Xorxes may p= refer > kansi'u to kansa in most cases is perhaps he perceives it as implying tha= t > lo kansa is =A0subordinate to lo se kansa, in that the se kansa is the on= e > that is actually the x1 of the lo te kansa, and lo kansa is simply a > "hanger-on". (similar to a =A0sidju relationship) I don't have a preference for one over the other. If you want to have the two (or more) people doing something together in one slot, you use "kansi'u", if you want the two people (or groups) doing something together in different slots, you use "kansa". So which one you use depends on how you want to structure your sentence. In the case of "kansi'u xabju" vs "kansa xabju" I said I preferred the former simply because the ones doing the xabju go in the same slot (x1 of xabju), but since it's a tanru "kansa xabju" can't be said to be completely wrong, just not so directly interpretable. But "simxu xabju", would make litttle sense. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.