Received: from mail-gh0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]:43237) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Snmel-0003fJ-4C; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 01:15:55 -0700 Received: by ghbf16 with SMTP id f16sf12350460ghb.16 for ; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 01:15:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=fFOhkHx/DBmxRvFXAYghSULXvvcXydqy96Uqg3VNHqU=; b=MHitwXenTViGe3E6qvP63DnO3qI/BimLflTkcWXfCyYYoDXZ5HJ2ohm8W65OWrEJvF N766fLHZRess/9gi+rcPIA70SHjX4DzwrrAnZrnv8Ldq0eXqdL3GBk7epynbHzUU5d8c 37naANIiaNdso9Tnx+3e9nBw68+4Jl8IO+ZM0= Received: by 10.68.240.70 with SMTP id vy6mr2572076pbc.8.1341735344342; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 01:15:44 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.191.225 with SMTP id hb1ls7656268pbc.4.gmail; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 01:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.202.36 with SMTP id kf4mr243561pbc.10.1341735343915; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 01:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 01:15:43 -0700 (PDT) From: gleki To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <4913d2d7-010a-47e2-880a-ef7a39ddb94d@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: <1897ed28-8a5d-4a2c-8916-8bad921c8240@googlegroups.com> <6530ad91-ce67-4926-b2e8-697ca6a39a36@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: zo'oi pomegranate se fanva fu ma MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_901_3247783.1341735343401" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_901_3247783.1341735343401 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sunday, July 8, 2012 12:37:15 AM UTC+4, tsani wrote: > > It might be so that taxonomists can't figure out what to call this > thing or that thing, but they will eventually come to some kind of > conclusion, ^ ^ ^ No. the only way to true classification is non-linear descriptions of anatomy, genomes etc. which no speakable language in the world is capable of. not to mention that such disagreements probably have to do > with species that're so uncommon or bizarre No. Sometimes they argue whether foxes belong to dogs or should have a distinct taxon changing it's Linnean name accrodingly. It's stupid. Change you databases but don't change Linnean names to preserve ... "backward compatibility" (have those mad biologists ever heard about such thing as "backward compatibility"?) > that we would most > certainly never need to actually talk about them, unless Lojban should > become the language of science, which is highly unlikely. > > Concerning the fact that "no one like type-3 fu'ivla," it's my opinion > (and that of a handful of others on IRC) that type-3 are the ideal > solution for fu'ivla. On the other hand, I personally think that > type-4 zi'evla should be reserved/used primarily for lojban-based > zi'evla, which in my opinion are the good alternative to cimjvo. > > Anyway, as for "pomegranate" itself, we had this discussion in IRC and > determined grutrgranate be the best word for it. Conversationally, I > think that you could presumably drop the grutr- after having said the > full word once or twice. > > mu'o mi'e la tsani > > On 7 July 2012 13:07, MorphemeAddict wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 6:46 AM, gleki > wrote: > >> > >> oh my. I even adore this chaos in lojbanists' views. > >> To tell you the truth I don't like lujvo and fu'ivla Type 3 at all. > >> > >> On Saturday, July 7, 2012 2:17:06 PM UTC+4, Lindar wrote: > >>> > >>> I suggest {granatu} from the linnean name "granatum". > >> > >> > >> Your suggestion looks naturalistic but as for biological taxonomy > everyone > >> is right and everyone is wrong. Even biologists can't (and will never) > come > >> to a conclusion what to name this or that organism. > >> > >> I think this is the only part of Lojban where we should "let usage > >> decide". > >> In all the other cases Lojban must be regulated. > > > > > > And how do you propose that the language be regulated? > > > > stevo > >> > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >> "Lojban Beginners" group. > >> To view this discussion on the web visit > >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/HZRI8YQ0P4MJ. > >> > >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >> For more options, visit this group at > >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > "Lojban Beginners" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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On Sunday, July 8, 2012 12:37:15 AM UTC+4, tsani wrote:
It might be so that taxonomists can't figu= re out what to call this
thing or that thing, but they will eventually come to some kind of
conclusion,
^ ^ ^
No. the only way to true c= lassification is non-linear descriptions of anatomy, genomes etc. which no = speakable language in the world is capable of.

not to mention that such disagreement= s probably have to do
with species that're so uncommon or bizarre
No. Someti= mes they argue whether foxes belong to dogs or should have a distinct taxon= changing it's Linnean name accrodingly.
It's stupid. Change you = databases but don't change Linnean names to preserve ... "backward compatib= ility" (have those mad biologists ever heard about such thing as "backward = compatibility"?) 
t= hat we would most
certainly never need to actually talk about them, unless Lojban should
become the language of science, which is highly unlikely.

Concerning the fact that "no one like type-3 fu'ivla," it's my opinion
(and that of a handful of others on IRC) that type-3 are the ideal
solution for fu'ivla. On the other hand, I personally think that
type-4 zi'evla should be reserved/used primarily for lojban-based
zi'evla, which in my opinion are the good alternative to cimjvo.

Anyway, as for "pomegranate" itself, we had this discussion in IRC and
determined grutrgranate be the best word for it. Conversationally, I
think that you could presumably drop the grutr- after having said the
full word once or twice.

mu'o mi'e la tsani

On 7 July 2012 13:07, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 6:46 AM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> = wrote:
>>
>> oh my. I even adore this chaos in lojbanists' views.
>> To tell you the truth I don't like lujvo and fu'ivla Type 3 at= all.
>>
>> On Saturday, July 7, 2012 2:17:06 PM UTC+4, Lindar wrote:
>>>
>>> I suggest {granatu} from the linnean name "granatum".
>>
>>
>> Your suggestion looks naturalistic but as for biological taxon= omy everyone
>> is right and everyone is wrong. Even biologists can't (and wil= l never) come
>> to a conclusion what to name this or that organism.
>>
>> I think this is the only part of Lojban where we should "let u= sage
>> decide".
>> In all the other cases Lojban must be regulated.
>
>
> And how do you propose that the language be regulated?
>
> stevo
>>
>>
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