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On Sunday, July 8, 2012 1:03:19 PM UTC+4, tsani wrote:
>
> Er, no?


If you mean my "No", i was replying to this phrase "It might be so that 
taxonomists can't figure out what to call this 
thing or that thing, but they will eventually come to some kind of 
conclusion," only.
I can agree with the rest, though

The rationale behind using -e and not -u is that the final 
> vowel from the fu'ivla head is -e and because in latin, the final 
> vowel is not really a true constituent of the *word*. The root itself 
> ends in a consonant, and therefore the final vowel has little real 
> bearing on the meaning, aside from grammatical implications. So no, 
> this isn't a malgli fu'ivla at all, especially considering that in 
> English, the word doesn't even end in a vowel (in speech, of course), 
> so "pomegranate" is lojbanised to {pamygranet} (probably, I'm no 
> expert on lojbanisation; I prefer to use real lojban words over 
> lojbanisations any day). 
>
> What'd be unjustifiably malglico would be {grutrpamagranete} and that 
> certainly isn't the case with {grutrgranate} which is justified in all 
> aspects.  


> mu'o mi'e la tsani 
>
> On 8 July 2012 03:49, Lindar <lindarthebard@gmail.com> wrote: 
> > In all honesty my biggest complaint is the nagging idea that you prefer 
> > {granate} to {granatu} and named it thus because of the English name for 
> the 
> > item and not the linnean name as is customary. It's my own weird 
> > twitch-reaction, but I'm going to cry malglitarmi on this simply for the 
> > fact that it is anything more than vaguely similar. It has nothing to do 
> > with a preferred final vowel and everything to do with the fact that 
> you're 
> > making stuff look like English because you speak English. 
> > 
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On Sunday, July 8, 2012 1:03:19 PM UTC+4, tsani wrote:
>
> Er, no? The rationale behind using -e and not -u is that the final 
> vowel from the fu'ivla head is -e and because in latin, the final 
> vowel is not really a true constituent of the *word*. The root itself 
> ends in a consonant, and therefore the final vowel has little real 
> bearing on the meaning, aside from grammatical implications. So no, 
> this isn't a malgli fu'ivla at all, especially considering that in 
> English, the word doesn't even end in a vowel (in speech, of course), 
> so "pomegranate" is lojbanised to {pamygranet} (probably, I'm no 
> expert on lojbanisation; I prefer to use real lojban words over 
> lojbanisations any day). 
>
> What'd be unjustifiably malglico would be {grutrpamagranete} and that 
> certainly isn't the case with {grutrgranate} which is justified in all 
> aspects. 
>
> mu'o mi'e la tsani 
>
> On 8 July 2012 03:49, Lindar <lindarthebard@gmail.com> wrote: 
> > In all honesty my biggest complaint is the nagging idea that you prefer 
> > {granate} to {granatu} and named it thus because of the English name for 
> the 
> > item and not the linnean name as is customary. It's my own weird 
> > twitch-reaction, but I'm going to cry malglitarmi on this simply for the 
> > fact that it is anything more than vaguely similar. It has nothing to do 
> > with a preferred final vowel and everything to do with the fact that 
> you're 
> > making stuff look like English because you speak English. 
> > 
> > -- 
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On Sunday, July 8, 2012 1:03:19 PM UTC+4, tsani wrote:
>
> Er, no? The rationale behind using -e and not -u is that the final 
> vowel from the fu'ivla head is -e and because in latin, the final 
> vowel is not really a true constituent of the *word*. The root itself 
> ends in a consonant, and therefore the final vowel has little real 
> bearing on the meaning, aside from grammatical implications. So no, 
> this isn't a malgli fu'ivla at all, especially considering that in 
> English, the word doesn't even end in a vowel (in speech, of course), 
> so "pomegranate" is lojbanised to {pamygranet} (probably, I'm no 
> expert on lojbanisation; I prefer to use real lojban words over 
> lojbanisations any day). 
>
> What'd be unjustifiably malglico would be {grutrpamagranete} and that 
> certainly isn't the case with {grutrgranate} which is justified in all 
> aspects. 
>
> mu'o mi'e la tsani 
>
> On 8 July 2012 03:49, Lindar <lindarthebard@gmail.com> wrote: 
> > In all honesty my biggest complaint is the nagging idea that you prefer 
> > {granate} to {granatu} and named it thus because of the English name for 
> the 
> > item and not the linnean name as is customary. It's my own weird 
> > twitch-reaction, but I'm going to cry malglitarmi on this simply for the 
> > fact that it is anything more than vaguely similar. It has nothing to do 
> > with a preferred final vowel and everything to do with the fact that 
> you're 
> > making stuff look like English because you speak English. 
> > 
> > -- 
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> > 
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On Sunday, July 8, 2012 1:03:19 PM UTC+4, tsani wrote:
>
> Er, no? The rationale behind using -e and not -u is that the final 
> vowel from the fu'ivla head is -e and because in latin, the final 
> vowel is not really a true constituent of the *word*. The root itself 
> ends in a consonant, and therefore the final vowel has little real 
> bearing on the meaning, aside from grammatical implications. So no, 
> this isn't a malgli fu'ivla at all, especially considering that in 
> English, the word doesn't even end in a vowel (in speech, of course), 
> so "pomegranate" is lojbanised to {pamygranet} (probably, I'm no 
> expert on lojbanisation; I prefer to use real lojban words over 
> lojbanisations any day). 
>
> What'd be unjustifiably malglico would be {grutrpamagranete} and that 
> certainly isn't the case with {grutrgranate} which is justified in all 
> aspects. 
>
> mu'o mi'e la tsani 
>
> On 8 July 2012 03:49, Lindar <lindarthebard@gmail.com> wrote: 
> > In all honesty my biggest complaint is the nagging idea that you prefer 
> > {granate} to {granatu} and named it thus because of the English name for 
> the 
> > item and not the linnean name as is customary. It's my own weird 
> > twitch-reaction, but I'm going to cry malglitarmi on this simply for the 
> > fact that it is anything more than vaguely similar. It has nothing to do 
> > with a preferred final vowel and everything to do with the fact that 
> you're 
> > making stuff look like English because you speak English. 
> > 
> > -- 
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<br><br>On Sunday, July 8, 2012 1:03:19 PM UTC+4, tsani wrote:<blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px=
 #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">Er, no?</blockquote><div><br></div><div>If =
you mean my "No", i was replying to this phrase "<span style=3D"color: rgb(=
80, 0, 80); ">It might be so that taxonomists can't figure out what to call=
 this</span><span style=3D"color: rgb(80, 0, 80); ">&nbsp;</span></div><spa=
n style=3D"color: rgb(80, 0, 80); ">thing or that thing, but they will even=
tually come to some kind of&nbsp;</span><br style=3D"color: rgb(80, 0, 80);=
 "><div><span style=3D"color: rgb(80, 0, 80); ">conclusion,</span>" only.</=
div><div>I can agree with the rest, though</div><div><br></div><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"> The rationale behind using -e and not -u =
is that the final
<br>vowel from the fu'ivla head is -e and because in latin, the final
<br>vowel is not really a true constituent of the *word*. The root itself
<br>ends in a consonant, and therefore the final vowel has little real
<br>bearing on the meaning, aside from grammatical implications. So no,
<br>this isn't a malgli fu'ivla at all, especially considering that in
<br>English, the word doesn't even end in a vowel (in speech, of course),
<br>so "pomegranate" is lojbanised to {pamygranet} (probably, I'm no
<br>expert on lojbanisation; I prefer to use real lojban words over
<br>lojbanisations any day).
<br>
<br>What'd be unjustifiably malglico would be {grutrpamagranete} and that
<br>certainly isn't the case with {grutrgranate} which is justified in all
<br>aspects.&nbsp;&nbsp;</blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left:=
 1ex;">
<br>mu'o mi'e la tsani
<br>
<br>On 8 July 2012 03:49, Lindar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lindarthebard@gmail.=
com" target=3D"_blank">lindarthebard@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
<br>&gt; In all honesty my biggest complaint is the nagging idea that you p=
refer
<br>&gt; {granate} to {granatu} and named it thus because of the English na=
me for the
<br>&gt; item and not the linnean name as is customary. It's my own weird
<br>&gt; twitch-reaction, but I'm going to cry malglitarmi on this simply f=
or the
<br>&gt; fact that it is anything more than vaguely similar. It has nothing=
 to do
<br>&gt; with a preferred final vowel and everything to do with the fact th=
at you're
<br>&gt; making stuff look like English because you speak English.
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; --
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yiv8jRMJ" target=3D"_blank">https://groups.google.com/d/<wbr>msg/lojban-beg=
inners/-/<wbr>TX1byiv8jRMJ</a>.
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=3Den</a>.
<br></blockquote><br>On Sunday, July 8, 2012 1:03:19 PM UTC+4, tsani wrote:=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;bor=
der-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">Er, no? The rationale behind u=
sing -e and not -u is that the final
<br>vowel from the fu'ivla head is -e and because in latin, the final
<br>vowel is not really a true constituent of the *word*. The root itself
<br>ends in a consonant, and therefore the final vowel has little real
<br>bearing on the meaning, aside from grammatical implications. So no,
<br>this isn't a malgli fu'ivla at all, especially considering that in
<br>English, the word doesn't even end in a vowel (in speech, of course),
<br>so "pomegranate" is lojbanised to {pamygranet} (probably, I'm no
<br>expert on lojbanisation; I prefer to use real lojban words over
<br>lojbanisations any day).
<br>
<br>What'd be unjustifiably malglico would be {grutrpamagranete} and that
<br>certainly isn't the case with {grutrgranate} which is justified in all
<br>aspects.
<br>
<br>mu'o mi'e la tsani
<br>
<br>On 8 July 2012 03:49, Lindar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lindarthebard@gmail.=
com" target=3D"_blank">lindarthebard@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
<br>&gt; In all honesty my biggest complaint is the nagging idea that you p=
refer
<br>&gt; {granate} to {granatu} and named it thus because of the English na=
me for the
<br>&gt; item and not the linnean name as is customary. It's my own weird
<br>&gt; twitch-reaction, but I'm going to cry malglitarmi on this simply f=
or the
<br>&gt; fact that it is anything more than vaguely similar. It has nothing=
 to do
<br>&gt; with a preferred final vowel and everything to do with the fact th=
at you're
<br>&gt; making stuff look like English because you speak English.
<br>&gt;
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=3Den</a>.
<br></blockquote><br>On Sunday, July 8, 2012 1:03:19 PM UTC+4, tsani wrote:=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;bor=
der-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">Er, no? The rationale behind u=
sing -e and not -u is that the final
<br>vowel from the fu'ivla head is -e and because in latin, the final
<br>vowel is not really a true constituent of the *word*. The root itself
<br>ends in a consonant, and therefore the final vowel has little real
<br>bearing on the meaning, aside from grammatical implications. So no,
<br>this isn't a malgli fu'ivla at all, especially considering that in
<br>English, the word doesn't even end in a vowel (in speech, of course),
<br>so "pomegranate" is lojbanised to {pamygranet} (probably, I'm no
<br>expert on lojbanisation; I prefer to use real lojban words over
<br>lojbanisations any day).
<br>
<br>What'd be unjustifiably malglico would be {grutrpamagranete} and that
<br>certainly isn't the case with {grutrgranate} which is justified in all
<br>aspects.
<br>
<br>mu'o mi'e la tsani
<br>
<br>On 8 July 2012 03:49, Lindar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lindarthebard@gmail.=
com" target=3D"_blank">lindarthebard@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
<br>&gt; In all honesty my biggest complaint is the nagging idea that you p=
refer
<br>&gt; {granate} to {granatu} and named it thus because of the English na=
me for the
<br>&gt; item and not the linnean name as is customary. It's my own weird
<br>&gt; twitch-reaction, but I'm going to cry malglitarmi on this simply f=
or the
<br>&gt; fact that it is anything more than vaguely similar. It has nothing=
 to do
<br>&gt; with a preferred final vowel and everything to do with the fact th=
at you're
<br>&gt; making stuff look like English because you speak English.
<br>&gt;
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<br></blockquote><br>On Sunday, July 8, 2012 1:03:19 PM UTC+4, tsani wrote:=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;bor=
der-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">Er, no? The rationale behind u=
sing -e and not -u is that the final
<br>vowel from the fu'ivla head is -e and because in latin, the final
<br>vowel is not really a true constituent of the *word*. The root itself
<br>ends in a consonant, and therefore the final vowel has little real
<br>bearing on the meaning, aside from grammatical implications. So no,
<br>this isn't a malgli fu'ivla at all, especially considering that in
<br>English, the word doesn't even end in a vowel (in speech, of course),
<br>so "pomegranate" is lojbanised to {pamygranet} (probably, I'm no
<br>expert on lojbanisation; I prefer to use real lojban words over
<br>lojbanisations any day).
<br>
<br>What'd be unjustifiably malglico would be {grutrpamagranete} and that
<br>certainly isn't the case with {grutrgranate} which is justified in all
<br>aspects.
<br>
<br>mu'o mi'e la tsani
<br>
<br>On 8 July 2012 03:49, Lindar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lindarthebard@gmail.=
com" target=3D"_blank">lindarthebard@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
<br>&gt; In all honesty my biggest complaint is the nagging idea that you p=
refer
<br>&gt; {granate} to {granatu} and named it thus because of the English na=
me for the
<br>&gt; item and not the linnean name as is customary. It's my own weird
<br>&gt; twitch-reaction, but I'm going to cry malglitarmi on this simply f=
or the
<br>&gt; fact that it is anything more than vaguely similar. It has nothing=
 to do
<br>&gt; with a preferred final vowel and everything to do with the fact th=
at you're
<br>&gt; making stuff look like English because you speak English.
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