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Personally, being one of those people who hates fu'ivla of any kind, I like
{tsiplise}, myself.

On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:

> On Sunday, July 08, 2012 01:10:26 AM gleki wrote:
> > Type 3 fu'ivla is not unnaturalistic at all. Ancient Egyptian (ju'ocu'i
> the
> > eldest written language that we are aware of)
> > actually had such type of words.
> > e.g.
> > [image: nfr][image: nfr][image: nfr][image: pr] pronounced as *nfrw
> *means
> > "foundations of a house" where [image: pr] means house in order to
> > distinguish it from other homophones pronounced as *nfrw* as well.
> >
> > It's like {grutrgranate} and {tricrgranate} in Lojban.
>
> The Egyptian writing system has nothing to do with rafsi classifiers on
> borrowed words. A better natlang example of a type-3 fu'ivla is
> "weeverfish"
> (or "weaverfish"), where "weever" is from Old French and "fish" is native.
>
> On Sunday, July 08, 2012 01:11:35 AM gleki wrote:
> > Sorry to say but I have to support Lindar's {granatu} Type 4 fu'ivla.
> > Don't ask me for any logic in such decision cuz I said earlier there
> could
> > be no logic in this field at all.
>
> It could be "granatu" or "granato" in my opinion, but I prefer both of
> them to
> "granate", which is the vocative, which was lost.
>
> Another possibility is "rimbone" or "rumbona", from Semitic, with "b"
> thrown
> in for the morphology.
>
> Pierre
> --
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Personally, being one of those people who hates fu&#39;ivla of any kind, I =
like {tsiplise}, myself.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 8, 2=
012 at 11:48 AM, Pierre Abbat <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phma@=
phma.optus.nu" target=3D"_blank">phma@phma.optus.nu</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<b=
r>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im">On Sunday, July 08, 2012 0=
1:10:26 AM gleki wrote:<br>
&gt; Type 3 fu&#39;ivla is not unnaturalistic at all. Ancient Egyptian (ju&=
#39;ocu&#39;i the<br>
&gt; eldest written language that we are aware of)<br>
&gt; actually had such type of words.<br>
&gt; e.g.<br>
</div>&gt; [image: nfr][image: nfr][image: nfr][image: pr] pronounced as *n=
frw *means<br>
<div class=3D"im">&gt; &quot;foundations of a house&quot; where [image: pr]=
 means house in order to<br>
</div>&gt; distinguish it from other homophones pronounced as *nfrw* as wel=
l.<br>
<div class=3D"im">&gt;<br>
&gt; It&#39;s like {grutrgranate} and {tricrgranate} in Lojban.<br>
<br>
</div>The Egyptian writing system has nothing to do with rafsi classifiers =
on<br>
borrowed words. A better natlang example of a type-3 fu&#39;ivla is &quot;w=
eeverfish&quot;<br>
(or &quot;weaverfish&quot;), where &quot;weever&quot; is from Old French an=
d &quot;fish&quot; is native.<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
On Sunday, July 08, 2012 01:11:35 AM gleki wrote:<br>
&gt; Sorry to say but I have to support Lindar&#39;s {granatu} Type 4 fu&#3=
9;ivla.<br>
&gt; Don&#39;t ask me for any logic in such decision cuz I said earlier the=
re could<br>
&gt; be no logic in this field at all.<br>
<br>
</div>It could be &quot;granatu&quot; or &quot;granato&quot; in my opinion,=
 but I prefer both of them to<br>
&quot;granate&quot;, which is the vocative, which was lost.<br>
<br>
Another possibility is &quot;rimbone&quot; or &quot;rumbona&quot;, from Sem=
itic, with &quot;b&quot; thrown<br>
in for the morphology.<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Pierre<br>
--<br>
li fi&#39;u vu&#39;u fi&#39;u fi&#39;u du li pa<br>
</font></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
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