Received: from mail-qc0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]:39585) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1So7X4-0007Ed-5i; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 23:33:19 -0700 Received: by qcac11 with SMTP id c11sf11526294qca.16 for ; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 23:33:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=B/2E6AjIA0/9TMiylUyjrnQogdOGTpl7OO7Gf9Qg000=; b=ZUn1wqOTu+y1HDQftLn7vRC1uVMmlTURV9FxTHIDT9qfL6Jhcfq9th9XQiMVtZk/Fw gwf7et+1cG9HCBS96OAKhd/nTYHVtmOdqp6IEjbayGPT4c0bhGi/UpiCe+EuEGglRhD/ 7rPqGW+URJ8iMcA41HCXxiJvibwxY9yJyuCA4= Received: by 10.52.34.9 with SMTP id v9mr2218290vdi.9.1341815591333; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 23:33:11 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.66.242 with SMTP id i18ls5979843vdt.5.gmail; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 23:33:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.19.110 with SMTP id d14mr1386516vde.10.1341815590788; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 23:33:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 23:33:10 -0700 (PDT) From: gleki To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <33c7e7dd-2010-4672-9961-1616d06b1677@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: <1897ed28-8a5d-4a2c-8916-8bad921c8240@googlegroups.com> <3fe35f00-2292-47f2-8174-e085ac192707@googlegroups.com> <12445105.L7OIGU9naY@mehitabel> <636d3cc9-86ce-43f7-b181-146391653181@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: zo'oi pomegranate se fanva fu ma MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1219_359120.1341815590523" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_1219_359120.1341815590523 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It just reminds me of tatoeba where many lojbanic sentences have 2-3 versions like jbobau/banjubu'o/la .lojban. Flexibility and synonymy is great but sometimes we need to choose one way not to be misunderstood by others. On Monday, July 9, 2012 10:05:56 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote: > > Should? I can't answer that. Do it if you want to. > > On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 11:32 PM, gleki wrote: > >> On Sunday, July 8, 2012 10:10:36 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote: >>> >>> Personally, being one of those people who hates fu'ivla of any kind, I >>> like {tsiplise}, myself. >>> >> >> (facepalm) >> I like this word too. Should I create a third version of this >> pixra? >> >>> >>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: >>> >>>> On Sunday, July 08, 2012 01:10:26 AM gleki wrote: >>>> > Type 3 fu'ivla is not unnaturalistic at all. Ancient Egyptian >>>> (ju'ocu'i the >>>> > eldest written language that we are aware of) >>>> > actually had such type of words. >>>> > e.g. >>>> > [image: nfr][image: nfr][image: nfr][image: pr] pronounced as *nfrw >>>> *means >>>> > "foundations of a house" where [image: pr] means house in order to >>>> > distinguish it from other homophones pronounced as *nfrw* as well. >>>> > >>>> > It's like {grutrgranate} and {tricrgranate} in Lojban. >>>> >>>> The Egyptian writing system has nothing to do with rafsi classifiers on >>>> borrowed words. A better natlang example of a type-3 fu'ivla is >>>> "weeverfish" >>>> (or "weaverfish"), where "weever" is from Old French and "fish" is >>>> native. >>>> >>>> On Sunday, July 08, 2012 01:11:35 AM gleki wrote: >>>> > Sorry to say but I have to support Lindar's {granatu} Type 4 fu'ivla. >>>> > Don't ask me for any logic in such decision cuz I said earlier there >>>> could >>>> > be no logic in this field at all. >>>> >>>> It could be "granatu" or "granato" in my opinion, but I prefer both of >>>> them to >>>> "granate", which is the vocative, which was lost. >>>> >>>> Another possibility is "rimbone" or "rumbona", from Semitic, with "b" >>>> thrown >>>> in for the morphology. >>>> >>>> Pierre >>>> -- >>>> li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.** >>>> com . >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.com >>>> . >>>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >>>> group/lojban-beginners?hl=en >>>> . >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>> (Come to the Dot Side! 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To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. ------=_Part_1219_359120.1341815590523 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It just reminds me of tatoeba where many lojbanic sentences have 2-3 versio= ns like jbobau/banjubu'o/la .lojban.
Flexibility and synonymy is great = but sometimes we need to choose one way not to be misunderstood by others.<= br>
On Monday, July 9, 2012 10:05:56 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
Should? I can't answer that. Do it if you = want to.

On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 11:32 PM,= gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, July 8, 2012 10:10:36 PM UTC= +4, aionys wrote:
Personally, being one of those people who hates fu'ivla of any kind, I like= {tsiplise}, myself.

(facepalm)&n= bsp;
I like this word too. Should I create a third version of this pixra?

On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Pierre Abbat <<= a href=3D"mailto:phma@phma.optus.nu" target=3D"_blank">phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
On Sunday, July 08, 2012 01:10:26 AM gl= eki wrote:
> Type 3 fu'ivla is not unnaturalistic at all. Ancient Egyptian (ju'ocu'= i the
> eldest written language that we are aware of)
> actually had such type of words.
> e.g.
> [image: nfr][image: nfr][image: nfr][image: pr] pronounced as *n= frw *means
> "foundations of a house" where [image: pr] means house in order t= o
> distinguish it from other homophones pronounced as *nfrw* as wel= l.
>
> It's like {grutrgranate} and {tricrgranate} in Lojban.

The Egyptian writing system has nothing to do with rafsi classifiers = on
borrowed words. A better natlang example of a type-3 fu'ivla is "weeverfish= "
(or "weaverfish"), where "weever" is from Old French and "fish" is native.<= br>

On Sunday, July 08, 2012 01:11:35 AM gleki wrote:
> Sorry to say but I have to support Lindar's {granatu} Type 4 fu'ivla.<= br> > Don't ask me for any logic in such decision cuz I said earlier there c= ould
> be no logic in this field at all.

It could be "granatu" or "granato" in my opinion, but I prefer both o= f them to
"granate", which is the vocative, which was lost.

Another possibility is "rimbone" or "rumbona", from Semitic, with "b" throw= n
in for the morphology.

Pierre
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