Received: from mail-gh0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]:47851) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SoGPl-0004ZM-JD; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 09:02:37 -0700 Received: by ghbf16 with SMTP id f16sf13853976ghb.16 for ; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 09:02:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=lkT9I2Ob4qAEwpRT2PmR17J0kdIM79BQVpinHNPRpFM=; b=1zmwkBzeHvapONTlrHMLPGTdoskY+RCsHwexm0C17zBepllXOMf967ckVxRIQUuBPc DqOOr/j/+DC3R11iLugBhY4tHkT17uKET83Szs9PHt5Q0KjEB8UmUPUE0lYD48AUh/4D vE+F9O90P61nLTFT2RJpiPvmxjUo5g0GMcySI= Received: by 10.68.211.6 with SMTP id my6mr2555120pbc.18.1341849734868; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 09:02:14 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.191.225 with SMTP id hb1ls11370129pbc.4.gmail; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 09:02:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.232.230 with SMTP id tr6mr3425861pbc.16.1341849734189; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 09:02:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 09:02:13 -0700 (PDT) From: gleki To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <2b75d430-e585-4679-bd33-4871b8ed3ae8@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: <1897ed28-8a5d-4a2c-8916-8bad921c8240@googlegroups.com> <3fe35f00-2292-47f2-8174-e085ac192707@googlegroups.com> <12445105.L7OIGU9naY@mehitabel> <636d3cc9-86ce-43f7-b181-146391653181@googlegroups.com> <33c7e7dd-2010-4672-9961-1616d06b1677@googlegroups.com> <9722108c-4b9e-4200-af66-4d838bb99065@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: zo'oi pomegranate se fanva fu ma MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_810_6107522.1341849733475" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_810_6107522.1341849733475 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Monday, July 9, 2012 7:28:26 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote: > > Also, it doesn't matter how much kinship pomegranates and apples share, > for the same reason it doesn't matter that lo latcribe is neither bear nor > cat. Descriptive metaphors are to'e forbidden in Lojban. > True. So we have fu'ivla Type 3 - 1 vote (la tsani). fu'ivla Type 4 - 1.5 votes (la .lindar. + 1/2 la gleki zo'o) lujvo - 1.5 votes (la .aionys. + 1/2 la gleki) We had no voices for experimental gismu (Save endangered Free gismu space! it's becoming too small) and cmene (but it's obvious). I believe for every proposal for plants and animals we'll have the same distribution of voices. We've got a good poll actually. > On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> I wouldn't say "no relation". They're both fruit. :) >> >> And it's not maglico to translate a name that in nearly every language is >> derived from it's LATIN name. >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 9:12 AM, gleki wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, July 9, 2012 6:07:15 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote: >>>> >>>> I got {tsiplise} by looking up the etymology of "pomegranate", which is >>>> "seeded apple". Adding more bits just makes the word more complicated. >>>> >>> It does. That's why I like it. But it's malglico if we copy the >>> structure of zo'oi pomegranate >>> And that's might be a drawback. >>> Pomegranates have no relation to apples. >>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 4:43 AM, Paul Predkiewicz < >>>> paul.pr.edkiewicz@gmail.com > wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think {tsiplise} is awesome. Allthough it's pulp really is more like >>>>> from a berry, but since on the outside it looks like an apple, one >>>>> might consider {tsijbaplise} >>>>> >>>>> Or, you could even put the phoenecians into the game, "who were active >>>>> in broadening its cultivation, partly for religious reasons." as >>>>> wikipedia puts it. >>>>> >>>>> just my 2 one-hundredth subdivisions of several units of currency... >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Jonathan Jones >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > That's not a Lojban specific thing. Every language has that. >>>>> > >>>>> > For example, you can call a person attractive, pretty, beautiful, >>>>> handsome, >>>>> > sexy, cute, hot,... >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 12:33 AM, gleki >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> It just reminds me of tatoeba where many lojbanic sentences have 2-3 >>>>> >> versions like jbobau/banjubu'o/la .lojban. >>>>> >> Flexibility and synonymy is great but sometimes we need to choose >>>>> one way >>>>> >> not to be misunderstood by others. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On Monday, July 9, 2012 10:05:56 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote: >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Should? I can't answer that. Do it if you want to. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 11:32 PM, gleki >>>> > >>>>> >>> wrote: >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> On Sunday, July 8, 2012 10:10:36 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Personally, being one of those people who hates fu'ivla of any >>>>> kind, I >>>>> >>>>> like {tsiplise}, myself. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> (facepalm) >>>>> >>>> I like this word too. Should I create a third version of this >>>>> pixra? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Pierre Abbat < >>>>> phma@phma.optus.nu> >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Sunday, July 08, 2012 01:10:26 AM gleki wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> > Type 3 fu'ivla is not unnaturalistic at all. Ancient Egyptian >>>>> >>>>>> > (ju'ocu'i the >>>>> >>>>>> > eldest written language that we are aware of) >>>>> >>>>>> > actually had such type of words. >>>>> >>>>>> > e.g. >>>>> >>>>>> > [image: nfr][image: nfr][image: nfr][image: pr] pronounced as >>>>> *nfrw >>>>> >>>>>> > *means >>>>> >>>>>> > "foundations of a house" where [image: pr] means house in >>>>> order to >>>>> >>>>>> > distinguish it from other homophones pronounced as *nfrw* as >>>>> well. >>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>> > It's like {grutrgranate} and {tricrgranate} in Lojban. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> The Egyptian writing system has nothing to do with rafsi >>>>> classifiers >>>>> >>>>>> on >>>>> >>>>>> borrowed words. A better natlang example of a type-3 fu'ivla is >>>>> >>>>>> "weeverfish" >>>>> >>>>>> (or "weaverfish"), where "weever" is from Old French and "fish" >>>>> is >>>>> >>>>>> native. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Sunday, July 08, 2012 01:11:35 AM gleki wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> > Sorry to say but I have to support Lindar's {granatu} Type 4 >>>>> >>>>>> > fu'ivla. >>>>> >>>>>> > Don't ask me for any logic in such decision cuz I said >>>>> earlier there >>>>> >>>>>> > could >>>>> >>>>>> > be no logic in this field at all. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> It could be "granatu" or "granato" in my opinion, but I prefer >>>>> both of >>>>> >>>>>> them to >>>>> >>>>>> "granate", which is the vocative, which was lost. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Another possibility is "rimbone" or "rumbona", from Semitic, >>>>> with "b" >>>>> >>>>>> thrown >>>>> >>>>>> in for the morphology. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Pierre >>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>>> li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>> Google >>>>> >>>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>>> >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>> >>>>>> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.**com >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> >>>>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.com >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/**group/lojban-beginners?hl=en >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do >>>>> zo'o >>>>> >>>>> (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Monday, July 9, 2012 7:28:26 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
Also, it doesn't matter how much kinship p= omegranates and apples share, for the same reason it doesn't matter that lo= latcribe is neither bear nor cat. Descriptive metaphors are to'e forbidden= in Lojban.
True. So we have
fu'ivla Type 3 =  - 1 vote (la tsani).
fu'ivla Type 4  - 1.5 votes (la .= lindar. + 1/2 la gleki zo'o)
lujvo         &n= bsp;    - 1.5 votes  (la .aionys. + 1/2 la gleki)
=

We had no voices for experimental gismu (Save endangere= d Free gismu space! it's becoming too small) and cmene (but it's obvious).<= /div>

I believe for every proposal for plants = and animals we'll have the same distribution of voices.
We've got= a good poll actually.


On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Jonathan Jones <= span dir=3D"ltr"><eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
I wouldn't say "no relation". They're both fruit. :)

And it's not ma= glico to translate a name that in nearly every language is derived from it'= s LATIN name.


On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 9:12 AM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com= > wrote:


On Monday, July 9, 2012 6:07:15 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote:I got {tsiplise} by looking up the etymolo= gy of "pomegranate", which is "seeded apple". Adding more bits just makes t= he word more complicated.
It does. That's why I like it. But it's malglico if= we copy the structure of zo'oi pomegranate
And that's might be a= drawback.
Pomegranates have no relation to apples. 

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 4:43 AM, Paul Predkiewicz &l= t;paul.pr.e= dkiewicz@gmail.com> wrote:
I think {tsiplise} is awesome. Allthough it'= s pulp really is more like
from a berry, but since on the outside it looks like an apple, one
might consider {tsijbaplise}

Or, you could even put the phoenecians into the game, "who were active
in broadening its cultivation, partly for religious reasons." as
wikipedia puts it.

just my 2 one-hundredth subdivisions of several units of currency...

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's not a Lojban specific thing. Every language has that.
>
> For example, you can call a person attractive, pretty, beautiful, hand= some,
> sexy, cute, hot,...
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 12:33 AM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wro= te:
>>
>> It just reminds me of tatoeba where many lojbanic sentences have 2= -3
>> versions like jbobau/banjubu'o/la .lojban.
>> Flexibility and synonymy is great but sometimes we need to choose = one way
>> not to be misunderstood by others.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, July 9, 2012 10:05:56 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
>>>
>>> Should? I can't answer that. Do it if you want to.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 11:32 PM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com= >
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, July 8, 2012 10:10:36 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote: >>>>>
>>>>> Personally, being one of those people who hates fu'ivl= a of any kind, I
>>>>> like {tsiplise}, myself.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (facepalm)
>>>> I like this word too. Should I create a third version of t= his pixra?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu&= gt;
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, July 08, 2012 01:10:26 AM gleki wrote:<= br> >>>>>> > Type 3 fu'ivla is not unnaturalistic at all. = Ancient Egyptian
>>>>>> > (ju'ocu'i the
>>>>>> > eldest written language that we are aware of)=
>>>>>> > actually had such type of words.
>>>>>> > e.g.
>>>>>> > [image: nfr][image: nfr][image: nfr][image: p= r] pronounced as *nfrw
>>>>>> > *means
>>>>>> > "foundations of a house" where [image: pr] me= ans house in order to
>>>>>> > distinguish it from other homophones pronounc= ed as *nfrw* as well.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > It's like {grutrgranate} and {tricrgranate} i= n Lojban.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Egyptian writing system has nothing to do with= rafsi classifiers
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> borrowed words. A better natlang example of a type= -3 fu'ivla is
>>>>>> "weeverfish"
>>>>>> (or "weaverfish"), where "weever" is from Old Fren= ch and "fish" is
>>>>>> native.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, July 08, 2012 01:11:35 AM gleki wrote:<= br> >>>>>> > Sorry to say but I have to support Lindar's {= granatu} Type 4
>>>>>> > fu'ivla.
>>>>>> > Don't ask me for any logic in such decision c= uz I said earlier there
>>>>>> > could
>>>>>> > be no logic in this field at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It could be "granatu" or "granato" in my opinion, = but I prefer both of
>>>>>> them to
>>>>>> "granate", which is the vocative, which was lost.<= br> >>>>>>
>>>>>> Another possibility is "rimbone" or "rumbona", fro= m Semitic, with "b"
>>>>>> thrown
>>>>>> in for the morphology.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pierre
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscrib= ed to the Google
>>>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group.
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>>>>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>>
>>>>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi= patfu do zo'o
>>>>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>
>>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu d= o zo'o
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