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Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 13:35:55 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: zo'oi pomegranate se fanva fu ma To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.181 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0447f23a0c9d7904c4690dd2 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d0447f23a0c9d7904c4690dd2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > I wouldn't say "no relation". They're both fruit. :) > > And it's not maglico to translate a name that in nearly every language is > derived from it's LATIN name. Notable exceptions (notable in that I have some familiarity with them and bothered to look them up on wiktionary) seem to include Hebrew and seemingly (but I can't be sure) three Asiatic languages (Japanese, Chinese, and Korean). > > > On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 9:12 AM, gleki wrote: > >> >> >> On Monday, July 9, 2012 6:07:15 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote: >>> >>> I got {tsiplise} by looking up the etymology of "pomegranate", which is >>> "seeded apple". Adding more bits just makes the word more complicated. >>> >> It does. That's why I like it. But it's malglico if we copy the structure >> of zo'oi pomegranate >> And that's might be a drawback. >> Pomegranates have no relation to apples. >> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 4:43 AM, Paul Predkiewicz < >>> paul.predkiewicz@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I think {tsiplise} is awesome. Allthough it's pulp really is more like >>>> from a berry, but since on the outside it looks like an apple, one >>>> might consider {tsijbaplise} >>>> >>>> Or, you could even put the phoenecians into the game, "who were active >>>> in broadening its cultivation, partly for religious reasons." as >>>> wikipedia puts it. >>>> >>>> just my 2 one-hundredth subdivisions of several units of currency... >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Jonathan Jones >>>> wrote: >>>> > That's not a Lojban specific thing. Every language has that. >>>> > >>>> > For example, you can call a person attractive, pretty, beautiful, >>>> handsome, >>>> > sexy, cute, hot,... >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 12:33 AM, gleki >>>> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> It just reminds me of tatoeba where many lojbanic sentences have 2-3 >>>> >> versions like jbobau/banjubu'o/la .lojban. >>>> >> Flexibility and synonymy is great but sometimes we need to choose >>>> one way >>>> >> not to be misunderstood by others. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> On Monday, July 9, 2012 10:05:56 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Should? I can't answer that. Do it if you want to. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 11:32 PM, gleki >>>> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sunday, July 8, 2012 10:10:36 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Personally, being one of those people who hates fu'ivla of any >>>> kind, I >>>> >>>>> like {tsiplise}, myself. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> (facepalm) >>>> >>>> I like this word too. Should I create a third version of this >>>> pixra? >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Pierre Abbat >>> > >>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Sunday, July 08, 2012 01:10:26 AM gleki wrote: >>>> >>>>>> > Type 3 fu'ivla is not unnaturalistic at all. Ancient Egyptian >>>> >>>>>> > (ju'ocu'i the >>>> >>>>>> > eldest written language that we are aware of) >>>> >>>>>> > actually had such type of words. >>>> >>>>>> > e.g. >>>> >>>>>> > [image: nfr][image: nfr][image: nfr][image: pr] pronounced as >>>> *nfrw >>>> >>>>>> > *means >>>> >>>>>> > "foundations of a house" where [image: pr] means house in >>>> order to >>>> >>>>>> > distinguish it from other homophones pronounced as *nfrw* as >>>> well. >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > It's like {grutrgranate} and {tricrgranate} in Lojban. >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> The Egyptian writing system has nothing to do with rafsi >>>> classifiers >>>> >>>>>> on >>>> >>>>>> borrowed words. A better natlang example of a type-3 fu'ivla is >>>> >>>>>> "weeverfish" >>>> >>>>>> (or "weaverfish"), where "weever" is from Old French and "fish" >>>> is >>>> >>>>>> native. >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Sunday, July 08, 2012 01:11:35 AM gleki wrote: >>>> >>>>>> > Sorry to say but I have to support Lindar's {granatu} Type 4 >>>> >>>>>> > fu'ivla. >>>> >>>>>> > Don't ask me for any logic in such decision cuz I said earlier >>>> there >>>> >>>>>> > could >>>> >>>>>> > be no logic in this field at all. >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> It could be "granatu" or "granato" in my opinion, but I prefer >>>> both of >>>> >>>>>> them to >>>> >>>>>> "granate", which is the vocative, which was lost. >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Another possibility is "rimbone" or "rumbona", from Semitic, >>>> with "b" >>>> >>>>>> thrown >>>> >>>>>> in for the morphology. >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Pierre >>>> >>>>>> -- >>>> >>>>>> li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> -- >>>> >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>> Google >>>> >>>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>> >>>>>> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.**com >>>> . >>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> >>>>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.com >>>> . >>>> >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/**group/lojban-beginners?hl=en >>>> . >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> -- >>>> >>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do >>>> zo'o >>>> >>>>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/**msg/lojban-beginners/-/** >>>> SGgSkFT9VIcJ >>>> . >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.**com >>>> . >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.com >>>> . >>>> >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> >>>> http://groups.google.com/**group/lojban-beginners?hl=en >>>> . >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> -- >>>> >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>>> >>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>>> >>> >>>> >> -- >>>> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups >>>> >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> >> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> >> https://groups.google.com/d/**msg/lojban-beginners/-/**Zkn6EUXdGYAJ >>>> . >>>> >> >>>> >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.* >>>> *com . >>>> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.com >>>> . >>>> >> For more options, visit this group at >>>> >> http://groups.google.com/**group/lojban-beginners?hl=en >>>> . >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>> > >>>> > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>>> > (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Jonatha= n Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
I wouldn't say "no relation". They're both fruit. :)
<= br>And it's not maglico to translate a name that in nearly every langua= ge is derived from it's LATIN name.

Notable except= ions (notable in that I have some familiarity with them and bothered to loo= k them up on wiktionary) seem to include Hebrew and seemingly (but I can= 9;t be sure) three Asiatic languages (Japanese, Chinese, and Korean).


On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 9:12 AM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com= > wrote:


On Monday, July 9, 2012 6:07:15 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote:I got {tsiplise} by looking up the etymolo= gy of "pomegranate", which is "seeded apple". Adding mo= re bits just makes the word more complicated.
It does. That's why I like it. But it's mal= glico if we copy the structure of zo'oi pomegranate
And that&= #39;s might be a drawback.
Pomegranates have no relation to apple= s.=A0

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 4:43 AM, Paul Predkiewicz &l= t;paul.pred= kiewicz@gmail.com> wrote:
I think {tsiplise} is awesome. Allthough it&= #39;s pulp really is more like
from a berry, but since on the outside it looks like an apple, one
might consider {tsijbaplise}

Or, you could even put the phoenecians into the game, "who were active=
in broadening its cultivation, partly for religious reasons." as
wikipedia puts it.

just my 2 one-hundredth subdivisions of several units of currency...

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's not a Lojban specific thing. Every language has that.
>
> For example, you can call a person attractive, pretty, beautiful, hand= some,
> sexy, cute, hot,...
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 12:33 AM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wro= te:
>>
>> It just reminds me of tatoeba where many lojbanic sentences have 2= -3
>> versions like jbobau/banjubu'o/la .lojban.
>> Flexibility and synonymy is great but sometimes we need to choose = one way
>> not to be misunderstood by others.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, July 9, 2012 10:05:56 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
>>>
>>> Should? I can't answer that. Do it if you want to.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 11:32 PM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com= >
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, July 8, 2012 10:10:36 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote: >>>>>
>>>>> Personally, being one of those people who hates fu'= ;ivla of any kind, I
>>>>> like {tsiplise}, myself.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (facepalm)
>>>> I like this word too. Should I create a third version of t= his pixra?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu&= gt;
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, July 08, 2012 01:10:26 AM gleki wrote:<= br> >>>>>> > Type 3 fu'ivla is not unnaturalistic at a= ll. Ancient Egyptian
>>>>>> > (ju'ocu'i the
>>>>>> > eldest written language that we are aware of)=
>>>>>> > actually had such type of words.
>>>>>> > e.g.
>>>>>> > [image: nfr][image: nfr][image: nfr][image: p= r] pronounced as *nfrw
>>>>>> > *means
>>>>>> > "foundations of a house" where [ima= ge: pr] means house in order to
>>>>>> > distinguish it from other homophones pronounc= ed as *nfrw* as well.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > It's like {grutrgranate} and {tricrgranat= e} in Lojban.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Egyptian writing system has nothing to do with= rafsi classifiers
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> borrowed words. A better natlang example of a type= -3 fu'ivla is
>>>>>> "weeverfish"
>>>>>> (or "weaverfish"), where "weever&qu= ot; is from Old French and "fish" is
>>>>>> native.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, July 08, 2012 01:11:35 AM gleki wrote:<= br> >>>>>> > Sorry to say but I have to support Lindar'= ;s {granatu} Type 4
>>>>>> > fu'ivla.
>>>>>> > Don't ask me for any logic in such decisi= on cuz I said earlier there
>>>>>> > could
>>>>>> > be no logic in this field at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It could be "granatu" or "granato&q= uot; in my opinion, but I prefer both of
>>>>>> them to
>>>>>> "granate", which is the vocative, which = was lost.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another possibility is "rimbone" or &quo= t;rumbona", from Semitic, with "b"
>>>>>> thrown
>>>>>> in for the morphology.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pierre
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa >>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscrib= ed to the Google
>>>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group.
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>>>>>> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com.
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>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>>
>>>>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk= . mi patfu do zo'o
>>>>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>
>>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi pat= fu do zo'o
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>
>
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>
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