Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]:50513) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SoNby-0000HR-CK; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 16:43:27 -0700 Received: by yenl13 with SMTP id l13sf14261061yen.16 for ; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 16:43:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=UEbCAIjxStHzz0V8P8v4wevDvRhsGJs+mJMUaQtA4gY=; b=mmDAGkHx8QB++Gp4djHna4hhchFN70uam+UmwRqTifMeyOGDy0uqseu5li0SrAdA4D F00l72ZanDX0xNunyzDLE2n7oAXY9qkkZwvEAwVFlKJRacHNr8rJQ/pfMVZQVphv0Ilp TUu/oNHpjDB09NNbaWRfBLm1acEeqja6Di2Ng= Received: by 10.236.115.198 with SMTP id e46mr3854435yhh.16.1341877399598; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 16:43:19 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.236.85.78 with SMTP id t54ls1992552yhe.1.gmail; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 16:43:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.73.131 with SMTP id v3mr23677824yhd.6.1341877399053; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 16:43:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.73.131 with SMTP id v3mr23677811yhd.6.1341877398993; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 16:43:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yx0-f172.google.com (mail-yx0-f172.google.com [209.85.213.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a57si10573777yhh.5.2012.07.09.16.43.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 09 Jul 2012 16:43:18 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.213.172; Received: by mail-yx0-f172.google.com with SMTP id q13so13170130yen.17 for ; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 16:43:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.182.196 with SMTP id eg4mr9751579igc.26.1341877398800; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 16:43:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.30.68 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 16:42:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <0adc70ab-9070-49cd-8922-100e3da23ed5@googlegroups.com> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 19:42:48 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Wedding ring engraving To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93407edb00b6104c46e2d0f X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --14dae93407edb00b6104c46e2d0f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 7:47 AM, Paul Predkiewicz wrote: > Oh i see. I wasn't aware of that. > > Well, the reaccuring la remains though, which i somehow find slightly > unaesthetic, so what about my idea of using {mi'e}? > Another reason why i ask if {mi'e} can be used is that {la cipni ku > prami la mlatu} sounds like a very generic statement. Like "The monkey > eats a banana." Using =ABla=BB equates to the capitalization of a name, not to anything lik= e "the". So =ABla cipni ku/cu prami la mlatu=BB means "Bird loves Cat" (but without the tense of English "loves"). Either of =ABku=BB or =ABcu=BB can b= e used in this case. They differ grammatically, but the result is essentially the same here. It's not especially generic at all, although each argument can refer to any entity actually called that. stevo > instead of {mi'e cipni ku prami la mlatu} which kind > of adds the info that cipni is the one saying this and for me it > sounds more like a confession. > > > > On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Lindar wrote: > > You're actually perfectly allowed to use {cipni} and {mlatu} as names, > but > > you have to terminate them. > > > > {la cipni ku ze'e prami la mlatu} > > {la mlatu ku ze'e prami la cipni} > > > > Perfectly valid Lojban. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den. --14dae93407edb00b6104c46e2d0f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 7:47 AM, Paul Pre= dkiewicz <paul.predkiewicz@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh i see. I wasn't aware of that.

Well, the reaccuring la remains though, which i somehow find slightly
unaesthetic, so what about my idea of using {mi'e}?
Another reason why i ask if {mi'e} can be used is that {la cipni ku
prami la mlatu} sounds like a very generic statement. Like "The monkey=
eats a banana."

Using =ABla=BB equates to = the capitalization of a name, not to anything like "the". So =ABl= a cipni ku/cu prami la mlatu=BB means "Bird loves Cat" (but witho= ut the tense of English "loves"). Either of =ABku=BB or =ABcu=BB = can be used in this case. They differ grammatically, but the result is esse= ntially the same here. It's not especially generic at all, although eac= h argument can refer to any entity actually called that.=A0

stevo

=A0
instead of {mi'e cipni ku prami la mlatu} which kind
of adds the info that cipni is the one saying this and for me it
sounds more like a confession.



On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Lindar <lindarthebard@gmail.com> wrote:
> You're actually perfectly allowed to use {cipni} and {mlatu} as na= mes, but
> you have to terminate them.
>
> {la cipni ku ze'e prami la mlatu}
> {la mlatu ku ze'e prami la cipni}
>
> Perfectly valid Lojban.

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