Received: from mail-qa0-f56.google.com ([209.85.216.56]:45315) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SoUM4-0003Nl-53; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 23:55:28 -0700 Received: by qaas11 with SMTP id s11sf4541891qaa.1 for ; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 23:55:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Sb2gO7nioUYN8nxvnE2qeZgOM1eE0Gw+DDpWVAmjYRo=; b=KoaaqBBj3mu/TBJKoCSi5U5vc3vZ+PdXixJyAgra/+2Y+dRmPYsxUuJ27ojQRuCBos VhBz6F/tpHFkjl1WkjVaUkfVNz3Ho9V/Bg/V9N3Gof1CZL89+gdJDcl/RGYfFV2T38FL XXvveE+67czXVeL5opNDWqN1V2/6PzKIwBGCQ= Received: by 10.52.94.147 with SMTP id dc19mr2107706vdb.17.1341903321320; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 23:55:21 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.179.69 with SMTP id de5ls675203vdc.1.gmail; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 23:55:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.240.229 with SMTP id wd5mr34064037vdc.8.1341903320728; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 23:55:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.240.229 with SMTP id wd5mr34064036vdc.8.1341903320719; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 23:55:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vc0-f178.google.com (mail-vc0-f178.google.com [209.85.220.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l12si529240vdf.3.2012.07.09.23.55.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 09 Jul 2012 23:55:20 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of paul.predkiewicz@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.178; Received: by vcdm8 with SMTP id m8so9583310vcd.23 for ; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 23:55:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.115.12 with SMTP id g12mr20572939vcq.44.1341903320616; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 23:55:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.21.143 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 23:54:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <0adc70ab-9070-49cd-8922-100e3da23ed5@googlegroups.com> From: Paul Predkiewicz Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 08:54:50 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Wedding ring engraving To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: paul.predkiewicz@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of paul.predkiewicz@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=paul.predkiewicz@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / > It's not especially generic at all, although each argument can refer > to any entity actually called that. Yeah, that is what i meant. I know {la} doesn't mean "the", but more like "next-up: a name" I was just trying to say that as it is the statement {la cipni cu prami la mlatu} leaves alot of questions open... On the other hand it seems i tend to forget the following, a wedding ring engraved with {la cipni cu ze'e prami la mlatu} and another engraved with {la mlatu cu ze'e prami la cipni} pretty much adds a whole lot of context. so i guess even if only this sentence fits inside the rings, it would still be selfdesprict, since if you knew what a wedding ring is you could easily assume that the wearer is the person who loves the loved one. But when written down on the internet, it doesn't sound like much. Oh and, if you use gismu as a name, to form a valid sentence, do you need to put a full stop there {la cipni. cu prami}? Or is {la cipni cu prami} fine too? Or is it even {la .cipni. cu prami}? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.