Received: from mail-gg0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]:52887) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SouRx-0001Zu-0V; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 03:47:19 -0700 Received: by ggke5 with SMTP id e5sf1174786ggk.16 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 03:47:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-pair-authenticated:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=25inTJhccnuvL9T5b9oQuGYXR9VqhueDcqkUB/L1NH0=; b=CDOqUGKuO1IQfwTG/Qtb+EZQ5xEJP0KldSWY6dW7403/BJALIdh5HpVeKDEWn/O1OF qI0s18DpMSnKpwm7uxHRvgEgKQ3hnPYFGPfcituoIZlQh+QIu218/RVmBt8fEcHvSA1b llnE2Q4c9eiVz1OtAk7dvxR8K2a1SpyPiedyw= Received: by 10.50.202.38 with SMTP id kf6mr2765966igc.0.1342003630200; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 03:47:10 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.49.81 with SMTP id u17ls388127ibf.6.gmail; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 03:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.40.230 with SMTP id a6mr14975488igl.2.1342003629413; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 03:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.40.230 with SMTP id a6mr14975487igl.2.1342003629397; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 03:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay02.pair.com (relay02.pair.com. [209.68.5.16]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id bg10si437420igc.3.2012.07.11.03.47.09; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 03:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 209.68.5.16 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of m3o@plasmatix.com) client-ip=209.68.5.16; Received: (qmail 14671 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2012 10:47:08 -0000 Received: from 87.160.141.44 (HELO ?192.168.1.33?) (87.160.141.44) by relay02.pair.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2012 10:47:08 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 87.160.141.44 Message-ID: <4FFD59AA.5000906@plasmatix.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 12:47:06 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Wedding ring engraving References: <0adc70ab-9070-49cd-8922-100e3da23ed5@googlegroups.com> <2e1369e4-f156-4ce2-bfb6-66199f67241e@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <2e1369e4-f156-4ce2-bfb6-66199f67241e@googlegroups.com> X-Original-Sender: m3o@plasmatix.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.68.5.16 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of m3o@plasmatix.com) smtp.mail=m3o@plasmatix.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020207070101040305050708" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020207070101040305050708 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Am 11.07.2012 09:41, schrieb Lindar: > > Are you certain about leaving cu out? Cuz if i was to build a > tanru of > a [alltime] lover of-the-type bird, wouldn't it be something like > {cipni ze'e prami}? > > > cmavo can't form tanru. It's identical in meaning if you remove {cu} > and I think it is more aesthetically pleasing that way. Slight correction: TAGs(sumtcita; e.g. tenses and BAI) cannot form tanru. There are many cmavo that can, however. ke, ke'e, bo and all of NAhE being the most common, not to mention attitudinals. ze'e is a tense though, and can not form a tanru. The {cu} can be elided. mu'o mi'e la selpa'i -- .i pau mi me ma .i pa mai ko mi jungau la'e di'u .i ba bo mi va'o lo nu nelci lo nu me ma kau cu barkla .i va'o lo nu na nelci cu denpa ti lo nu mi drata -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --------------020207070101040305050708 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Am 11.07.2012 09:41, schrieb Lindar:
Are you certain about leaving cu out? Cuz if i was to build a tanru of
a [alltime] lover of-the-type bird, wouldn't it be something like
{cipni ze'e prami}?

cmavo can't form tanru. It's identical in meaning if you remove {cu} and I think it is more aesthetically pleasing that way.

Slight correction: TAGs(sumtcita; e.g. tenses and BAI) cannot form tanru. There are many cmavo that can, however. ke, ke'e, bo and all of NAhE being the most common, not to mention attitudinals.
ze'e is a tense though, and can not form a tanru. The {cu} can be elided.

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
-- 
.i pau mi me ma .i pa mai ko mi jungau la'e di'u 
.i ba bo mi va'o lo nu nelci lo nu me ma kau cu barkla 
.i va'o lo nu na nelci cu denpa ti lo nu mi drata

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