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Am 11.07.2012 19:50, schrieb jammyatjammy@gmail.com:
> le munvelski be zo kakne du la'e zoi gy x1 is able to do/be/capable of 
> doing/being x2 (event/state) under conditions x3 (event/state) gy .i 
> xu zoi gy being gy nibyti'i lo du'u zo kakne kakne lo selpli secau zo 
> nu to noi simsa nunpli fi tu'a le vi jufra toi
>
> The description of "kakne" is "x1 is able to do/be/capable of 
> doing/being x2 (event/state) under conditions x3 (event/state)". Does 
> "being" imply that "kakne" can be used without "nu" after it, and 
> instead using a simple sumti (as I did above).
>
> Probably a simpler example is {mi kakne lo tavla be fo la lojban.} - 
> "I can-be a talker in-language Lojban" .i xu di'u xagytadji lo nu 
> pilno zo kakne

It says "do/be" because those two are the same thing in Lojban. There is 
no to be or to do. That is, there is no difference between "I am a man"  
{mi nanmu }and "I [do] walk" {mi cadzu}. It's always just an argument 
(sumti) filling a place of a predicate (selbri). You still need an 
abstraction for kakne. {mi kakne lo ka/nu tavla} means both "I can be a 
talker" and "I can talk".

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

-- 
.i pau mi me ma .i pa mai ko mi jungau la'e di'u
.i ba bo mi va'o lo nu nelci lo nu me ma kau cu barkla
.i va'o lo nu na nelci cu denpa ti lo nu mi drata

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