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  The problem is the assumption that you can directly translate the
sentence from English with the same kind of syntax, and in the same order.
 But what we are really talking about are two beings, lo traji be lo ka
tordu bei fo lo'i munje nanmu be'o , and lo traji be lo ka clani bei fo
lo'i munje nanmu be'o.  And if we join those with jo'u, we can certainly
have them join the circus in lojban (  lo traji be lo ka tordu bei fo lo'i
munje nanmu be'o kujo'u lo traji be lo ka clani bei fo lo'i munje nanmu
be'o cu cmibi'o le tigbe'e ) But I think what you really want is : le remei
poi cmibi'o lo tigbe'e cu traji lo ka tordu fa'u clani  keifo lo'i munje
nanmu

              --gejsypa



On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 7:11 AM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

> *From *http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Conlang+Test+Sentences
> *The tallest and smallest men in the world both joined the circus.*
>
>    - lo clarai e lo toryrai be lo ro nanmu pe le munje cu cmibi'o le
>    tigbe'e
>    - *It's not exactly right, because {be lo ro...} applies only to
>    {toryrai}. Maybe:*
>    - lo clarai je toryrai be lo ro nanmu pe le munje cu cmibi'o le tigbe'e
>
> The second solution fails as well. How to say "(*The tallest and
> smallest) men in the world*"?
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<div dir=3D"ltr">=A0 The problem is the assumption that you can directly tr=
anslate the sentence from English with the same kind of syntax, and in the =
same order. =A0But what we are really talking about are two beings, lo traj=
i be lo ka tordu bei fo lo&#39;i munje nanmu be&#39;o , and lo traji be lo =
ka clani bei fo lo&#39;i munje nanmu be&#39;o. =A0And if we join those with=
 jo&#39;u, we can certainly have them join the circus in lojban ( =A0lo tra=
ji be lo ka tordu bei fo lo&#39;i munje nanmu be&#39;o kujo&#39;u lo traji =
be lo ka clani bei fo lo&#39;i munje nanmu be&#39;o cu cmibi&#39;o le tigbe=
&#39;e ) But I think what you really want is : le remei poi cmibi&#39;o lo =
tigbe&#39;e cu traji lo ka tordu fa&#39;u clani =A0keifo lo&#39;i munje nan=
mu=A0<div>
<br></div><div>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejsypa<br><div><br>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 7:11 AM, gleki <=
span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc soli=
d;padding-left:1ex">


<div><em style=3D"line-height:18px;font-size:12px;font-family:Verdana,Arial=
,sans-serif">From=A0</em><a href=3D"http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Conlang+Test=
+Sentences" target=3D"_blank">http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Conlang+Test+Sente=
nces</a></div>


<em style=3D"line-height:18px;font-size:12px;font-family:Verdana,Arial,sans=
-serif">The tallest and smallest men in the world both joined the circus.</=
em><span style=3D"line-height:18px;font-size:12px;font-family:Verdana,Arial=
,sans-serif"></span><ul style=3D"line-height:18px;font-size:12px;font-famil=
y:Verdana,Arial,sans-serif">


<li>lo clarai e lo toryrai be lo ro nanmu pe le munje cu cmibi&#39;o le tig=
be&#39;e</li><li><strong>It&#39;s not exactly right, because {be lo ro...} =
applies only to {toryrai}. Maybe:</strong></li><li>lo clarai je toryrai be =
lo ro nanmu pe le munje cu cmibi&#39;o le tigbe&#39;e</li>


</ul><div><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"><span=
 style=3D"font-size:12px;line-height:17px">The second solution fails as wel=
l. How to say &quot;(</span></font><em style=3D"line-height:18px;font-size:=
12px;font-family:Verdana,Arial,sans-serif">The tallest and smallest) men in=
 the world</em><span style=3D"line-height:17px;font-size:12px;font-family:V=
erdana,Arial,sans-serif">&quot;?</span></div>


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