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[209.68.5.15]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id s10si605329igs.0.2012.07.13.08.05.21; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 08:05:21 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 209.68.5.15 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of m3o@plasmatix.com) client-ip=209.68.5.15; Received: (qmail 31974 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2012 15:05:21 -0000 Received: from 87.160.140.251 (HELO ?192.168.1.33?) (87.160.140.251) by relay01.pair.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2012 15:05:21 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 87.160.140.251 Message-ID: <50003930.2050602@plasmatix.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 17:05:20 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Conlang test sentence failure. 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I only corrected his grammar, making no comment about semantics. mu'o mi'e la selpa'i Am 13.07.2012 16:27, schrieb ianek: > I don't think {ce} should be used anywhere outside "(set)" places (or > similar). The set of balls does not have properties of balls, it has > properties of a set. A set of people doesn't join a circus; people do. > And honestly I'm not half sure what {ce} exactly does as a tanru > connective. In fact there are no tanru connectives with this property > (I mean, "lo ka mi xadba zo'o jimpe ce'u"). > http://dag.github.com/cll/6/4/ > "Lojban speakers should generally think twice before employing the set > descriptors." > > mu'o mi'e ianek > > On 13 Lip, 15:04, selpa'i wrote: >> Indeed, but the problem is that lindar used ke instead of ke'e. >> The sentence he intended was: >> le ke clani traji ke'e ce ke tordu traji ke'e nanmu ku co'e >> To get the following structure: >> le (ke clani traji ke'e) ce (ke tordu traji ke'e) nanmu ku co'e >> >> mu'o mi'e la selpa'i >> >> Am 13.07.2012 14:51, schrieb .arpis.:> Doesn't parse; jbofi'e doesn't like the {ce} after the {ke}. >> >>> On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 6:35 PM, Lindar >> > wrote: >>> le ke clani traji ke ce ke tordu traji ke nanmu ku co'e >>> I win. =D >> -- >> .i pau mi me ma .i pa mai ko mi jungau la'e di'u >> .i ba bo mi va'o lo nu nelci lo nu me ma kau cu barkla >> .i va'o lo nu na nelci cu denpa ti lo nu mi drata -- .i pau mi me ma .i pa mai ko mi jungau la'e di'u .i ba bo mi va'o lo nu nelci lo nu me ma kau cu barkla .i va'o lo nu na nelci cu denpa ti lo nu mi drata -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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