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From: Jacob Errington Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 00:10:34 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: zoi gy. Plato is a friend, but the truth is a greater friend. gy. se fanva fu ma To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On 13 July 2012 15:52, ianek wrote: > This doesn't say that I love Plato at all, because I can love truth > more than something which I don't love. And I would use {la platon} > since it was his Greek name (Plato is Latin). You're right. We need to assert {broda} for Plato. I also wasn't aware of his Greek name. Certainly, it's more appropriate. > So I'd rather say {mi broda la platon i ku'i mi zmadu broda lo ka > jetnu} [{lo jetnu} is a true fact (du'u)] > That isn't a correct use of {ka} according to current usage, but was more widely accepted in the past IIRC. Anyway, this is that same problem that we encounter when trying to translate stuff like "love" as a noun. What is love if not the event of someone loving someone else? By that logic: what is the truth if not something being true? Personally, I disapprove of the tanru {zmadu broda} but there's no objective way to say that it's no good, not to mention that I don't really feel like getting in to which reasons I have for disliking it. Considering all that: .i mi broda la. platon .e ku'i mau bo lo nu jetnu mu'o mi'e la tsani > On 13 Lip, 18:34, Jacob Errington wrote: >> On 13 July 2012 12:30, gleki wrote: >> >> > or to be more specific how would you solve the problem in this ad hoc >> > sentence >> > "I love Plato but i love jetnu more". >> >> {.i la plat se zmadu lo jetnu lo ni mi [whatever selbri is actually >> appropriate: pendo, xendo, prami, something] ce'u} >> or, with (slightly) less contrived syntax: {.i mi [that selbri] jai te >> zmadu la plat lo jetnu} >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> > "Lojban Beginners" group. >> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> >https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/LOMiZswZz54J. >> > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> > For more options, visit this group at >> >http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.