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I can't answer your question, but "I know how to swim"/"I learned how to
swim" seem equivalent to "I can swim"/"I learned to swim", both without
"how".

stevo

On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 5:54 PM, mudri <jammyatjammy@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm trying to translate "I want to learn how to swim."<http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/256169> (from
> Tatoeba). As the title suggests, I'm okay with {mi djica lo ka cilre}, but
> I don't know how to translate "how to swim" (or whether to put it in x2 or
> x3). If you can answer the question, you might want to do the Tatoeba
> translation too.
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I can&#39;t answer your question, but &quot;I know=A0how to swim&quot;/&quo=
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stevo<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 5:54 PM, mu=
dri <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jammyatjammy@gmail.com" target=
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I&#39;m trying to translate=A0<a href=3D"http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/s=
how/256169" target=3D"_blank">&quot;I want to learn how to swim.&quot;</a>=
=A0(from Tatoeba). As the title suggests, I&#39;m okay with {mi djica lo ka=
 cilre}, but I don&#39;t know how to translate &quot;how to swim&quot; (or =
whether to put it in x2 or x3). If you can answer the question, you might w=
ant to do the Tatoeba translation too.

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