Received: from mail-vb0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]:53714) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SqXg3-0003wK-Ss; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 15:52:37 -0700 Received: by vbzb23 with SMTP id b23sf5915041vbz.16 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 15:52:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=TNcniN36KgmJyqIQ3Bsvb4w4xmaUxdd56gI0t9X+174=; b=ZNx+IQMBIvloCZJZp7pmwlp6qX3EdsIW9n1RH2Jpg6xAMZ1eF5XmVK+cJCR2HUEXCU qU23MFaLxq+tMWrlqv7ltH259KwzMF+UMBylxKHRmwGF2tMcdXA34LSiEhUl6lTRHtDK cN+y42OhTA3jDursESztAXrM+6CBg/6ZL3jBk= Received: by 10.52.71.7 with SMTP id q7mr536037vdu.20.1342392749245; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 15:52:29 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.157.82 with SMTP id a18ls2496740vcx.3.gmail; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 15:52:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.240.229 with SMTP id wd5mr6447800vdc.8.1342392748831; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 15:52:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.240.229 with SMTP id wd5mr6447798vdc.8.1342392748816; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 15:52:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vb0-f41.google.com (mail-vb0-f41.google.com [209.85.212.41]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y4si588389vds.2.2012.07.15.15.52.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 15 Jul 2012 15:52:28 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.41; Received: by vbkv13 with SMTP id v13so3951224vbk.14 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 15:52:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.174.226 with SMTP id bv2mr3700963vdc.32.1342392748615; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 15:52:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.58.84.136 with HTTP; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 15:52:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <8226125c-b6b5-4f96-862a-28c390d5d8bf@googlegroups.com> <9d0634fb-2be2-474b-8009-ca1f19d58861@googlegroups.com> From: ".arpis." Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 18:52:08 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Translating "how" + infinitive To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec51b17c9ee266804c4e62a61 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --bcaec51b17c9ee266804c4e62a61 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable .oise'i I must have mixed up the subtleties between {ka'e} and {kakne}... {ka'e} is defined to be innate, though, right? On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 6:31 PM, Jorge Llamb=EDas wro= te: > On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 7:25 PM, .arpis. > wrote: > > Since {certu} has an x3 "by standard" place, it arguably fits better th= an > > {kakne}, which is an innate capacity. Even someone who doesn't know how > to > > swim has the innate capacity to do so (arguably). > > "kakne" isn't defined as innate. That would be "se jinzi". > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > > --=20 mu'o mi'e .arpis. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den. --bcaec51b17c9ee266804c4e62a61 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable .oise'i

I must have mixed up the subtleties between {ka'e} a= nd {kakne}...
{ka'e} is defined to be innate, though, right?

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On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 6:31 PM, Jorge Llamb=EDa= s <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 7:= 25 PM, .arpis. <rpglove= r64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:
> Since {certu} has an x3 "by standard" place, it arguably fit= s better than
> {kakne}, which is an innate capacity. Even someone who doesn't kno= w how to
> swim has the innate capacity to do so (arguably).

"kakne" isn't defined as innate. That would be "se= jinzi".

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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