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On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 5:20 AM, Efrain Caro <betsemes@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Really? Then why do they ALL have place tags in their definition?
> >
> > du'u abstractor: predication/bridi abstractor; x1 is predication [bridi]
> > expressed in sentence x2.
>
> Jonathan, you are obviously a more knowledgeable person on matters of
> Lojban than myself; so pardon me whether I'm asking a stupid question.
>
> I want to ask why those definitions contain *[bridi]* in their
> definitions.


Because NU eat bridi for breakfast.

For example, {nu mi citka} is "x1 is state/process/achievement/activity of
[I eat]."


> By themselves, I assume they don't. I must assume thus
> that the definition refers to a complete abstraction and not the
> abstractor by itself.


It refers to the NU by itself, but the grammar of NU require that a bridi
is between NU...[kei]. The grammar has nothing to do with the definition.


> How am I wrong? Does any abstractor form an
> abstraction all by itself?


No.


> If so, what {lo se du'u kei} would mean?
> Does it mean {lo se du'u co'e kei}?


No, but I for one think it'd be nice if it did.


> Or is it illegal?
>

Yes.


> Please, explain.
>
> mu'o mi'e betsemes
>
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 5:20 AM, Efrain Caro <spa=
n dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:betsemes@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">b=
etsemes@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"im">On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Jonathan Jones &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; Really? Then why do they ALL have place tags in their definition?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; du&#39;u abstractor: predication/bridi abstractor; x1 is predication [=
bridi]<br>
&gt; expressed in sentence x2.<br>
<br>
</div>Jonathan, you are obviously a more knowledgeable person on matters of=
<br>
Lojban than myself; so pardon me whether I&#39;m asking a stupid question.<=
br>
<br>
I want to ask why those definitions contain *[bridi]* in their<br>
definitions.</blockquote><div><br>Because NU eat bridi for breakfast.<br><b=
r>For example, {nu mi citka} is &quot;x<sub>1</sub> is state/process/achiev=
ement/activity of [I eat].&quot;<br>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
>
By themselves, I assume they don&#39;t. I must assume thus<br>
that the definition refers to a complete abstraction and not the<br>
abstractor by itself.</blockquote><div><br>It refers to the NU by itself, b=
ut the grammar of NU require that a bridi is between NU...[kei]. The gramma=
r has nothing to do with the definition.<br>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
eft:1ex">
How am I wrong? Does any abstractor form an<br>
abstraction all by itself?</blockquote><div><br>No.<br>=A0</div><blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc soli=
d;padding-left:1ex">If so, what {lo se du&#39;u kei} would mean?<br>
Does it mean {lo se du&#39;u co&#39;e kei}?</blockquote><div><br>No, but I =
for one think it&#39;d be nice if it did.<br>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-=
left:1ex">
Or is it illegal?<br></blockquote><div><br>Yes.<br>=A0</div><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pa=
dding-left:1ex">

Please, explain.<br>
<br>
mu&#39;o mi&#39;e betsemes<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
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