Received: from mail-pb0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]:47866) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SzRMP-0002Ar-Sc; Thu, 09 Aug 2012 04:57:11 -0700 Received: by pbbrp2 with SMTP id rp2sf453163pbb.16 for ; Thu, 09 Aug 2012 04:56:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=AZcJdo7Fatdl1W5FDJnPsyzrAfepG5MrjrFN+WPA/UQ=; b=iOaIBYEHJ5GLn+THEyJ/HEqxvgzJviWageAHGGeQ+EOeSZ/kNLYExEJw6rGz6+jTfN PAEj539jsk2MeoRi28Vk2Mzg3RhmJYj+aFT1Z66gfrKSy9/pfDVyXl6FO8crjiOsHkH7 wcP+DHfUdnKSTegErRu+7y75BumigamUpTqHQ= Received: by 10.52.71.7 with SMTP id q7mr2491083vdu.20.1344513419266; Thu, 09 Aug 2012 04:56:59 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.223.77 with SMTP id ij13ls2033038vcb.1.gmail; Thu, 09 Aug 2012 04:56:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.24.68 with SMTP id s4mr5827337vdf.3.1344513418484; Thu, 09 Aug 2012 04:56:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.24.68 with SMTP id s4mr5827336vdf.3.1344513418476; Thu, 09 Aug 2012 04:56:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vb0-f53.google.com (mail-vb0-f53.google.com [209.85.212.53]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c10si180751vdu.1.2012.08.09.04.56.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 09 Aug 2012 04:56:58 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of betsemes@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.53 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.53; Received: by vbbfc26 with SMTP id fc26so304492vbb.26 for ; Thu, 09 Aug 2012 04:56:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.68.4 with SMTP id r4mr19100297vet.21.1344513418212; Thu, 09 Aug 2012 04:56:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.147.37 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 04:56:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201208062302.06087.phma@phma.optus.nu> <201208070002.10472.phma@phma.optus.nu> <790b043f-085d-479d-98ab-5dbe51bf04b6@j28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> <5f3c1611-8497-46d7-bc2c-34cfead5d0c5@j11g2000vbc.googlegroups.com> <50216ED9.5050608@plasmatix.com> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 07:56:58 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: sedu'u and ko From: Efrain Caro To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: betsemes@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of betsemes@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.53 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=betsemes@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Jonathan, I think I get your point. I personally don't share it, that's not how I understood NU, but in the end it is a non-issue; the end result is the same. What really matters is that in the case of NU, the {se} applies to abstractions, not to stand alone abstractors. mu'o mi'e betsemes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.