Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]:52588) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SzvKa-0002zq-97; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 12:57:18 -0700 Received: by yhoo21 with SMTP id o21sf2021711yho.16 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 12:57:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=HuMWhBLVcGK4s0OBOf7EUIGftKnHaOiIbpDjBkntZiY=; b=DULueLM4ardMBq27FCNINsk3rcIxafu2h/2b/KKm/rQiAa9QSwMq4P/fkCpsa6Sx5n GPJ9WUveeT6+JsBchFdWSD5mFi7JGOo0hlKBWsAw83B8glp3ps+QH3a9sKgGG47bkX5o 1SNn5mwSDOqiUR+vqKm5DuQbATm07Ry6IOXic= Received: by 10.236.74.161 with SMTP id x21mr1051264yhd.13.1344628616892; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 12:56:56 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.236.154.170 with SMTP id h30ls7403448yhk.7.gmail; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 12:56:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.105.36 with SMTP id h36mr556881anm.27.1344628616094; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 12:56:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.105.36 with SMTP id h36mr556880anm.27.1344628616080; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 12:56:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vc0-f179.google.com (mail-vc0-f179.google.com [209.85.220.179]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y4si977346vds.2.2012.08.10.12.56.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 10 Aug 2012 12:56:56 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.179 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.179; Received: by vcqp16 with SMTP id p16so2121243vcq.24 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 12:56:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.35.15 with SMTP id d15mr2996580vdj.128.1344628615751; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 12:56:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.58.252.104 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 12:56:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: ".arpis." Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:56:35 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] my first translation To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.179 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / I don't quite like {mi'e la borg} because it doesn't convey the plurality, which I feel is important in this case; can we say {mi'e lai borg}? On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > > > On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 7:14 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> >> For the first sentence, The Borg are identifying themselves by name. This >> means that the gismu {cmene} is needed: "x1 is the name of x2...". Since the >> name is first, in order to keep the order of the English intact we have to >> flip {cmene} using {se}, i.e. {se cmene} or {selcme}. The x1 of {cmene} (or >> the x2 of {selcme}) is a name, and so is a quoted word, which means we use >> {zo}, at least for single word names. Finally, The Borg are announcing that >> /they/ are the Borg, the x2 of {cmene}. We can use either {mi} or {mi'a}, >> the difference being that {mi'a} explicitly excludes the addressee(s), >> whereas {mi} does not. So, we have: >> >> {mi'a selcme zo.borg.} >> >> For "We are the Borg". >> > > You actually don't need to do that. "mi'e [la] borg." works perfectly > fine. Mi'e not only serves not only to indicate the speaker, but to label > them. > --gejyspa > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. -- mu'o mi'e .arpis. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.