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<371f2346-48d0-469e-9a5e-2fd716715a52@m13g2000vbd.googlegroups.com> From: ".arpis." Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 16:38:51 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: my first translation To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / From what I understand "plural" is an approximation of what it means to be a mass. Using a mass gadri shifts the emphasis to the component-nature of the thing. If I'm not making any sense, I blame micro-organisms and viri. On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 4:20 PM, ianek wrote: > {lai}, {loi}, {lei} are not plural. A mass can be equally well > composed of one component. That said, I don't quite get what masses > are in Lojban, eg. why {lo matne} can't be a mass: http://dag.github.com/cll/6/3/ > Whether or not a mass is correct in the context of Borg, plurality is > not implied. > > mu'o mi'e ianek > > On 10 Sie, 21:56, ".arpis." wrote: >> I don't quite like {mi'e la borg} because it doesn't convey the >> plurality, which I feel is important in this case; can we say {mi'e >> lai borg}? >> >> On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Michael Turniansky >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> > On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 7:14 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> >> >> For the first sentence, The Borg are identifying themselves by name. This >> >> means that the gismu {cmene} is needed: "x1 is the name of x2...". Since the >> >> name is first, in order to keep the order of the English intact we have to >> >> flip {cmene} using {se}, i.e. {se cmene} or {selcme}. The x1 of {cmene} (or >> >> the x2 of {selcme}) is a name, and so is a quoted word, which means we use >> >> {zo}, at least for single word names. Finally, The Borg are announcing that >> >> /they/ are the Borg, the x2 of {cmene}. We can use either {mi} or {mi'a}, >> >> the difference being that {mi'a} explicitly excludes the addressee(s), >> >> whereas {mi} does not. So, we have: >> >> >> {mi'a selcme zo.borg.} >> >> >> For "We are the Borg". >> >> > You actually don't need to do that. "mi'e [la] borg." works perfectly >> > fine. Mi'e not only serves not only to indicate the speaker, but to label >> > them. >> > --gejyspa >> >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> > "Lojban Beginners" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> > For more options, visit this group at >> >http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .arpis. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .arpis. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.