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The schwa is added when the consonants can't be adjacent due to lojban's
phonetic rules, e.g. voiced and unvoiced (like in the case of "p" and "b");
lojban also doesn't permit double consonants.

All gismu have a 4-letter rafsi corresponding to their first 4 letters.

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 6:28 PM, cariar.jermanis <
primitive_tetrapod@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Coi ro do,
>
> I am just learning Lojban. For my first post, I am going to list some
> lujvo (compound words, from my understanding) that I have made to express
> certain English words in Lojban. Here is what I have contrived so far:
>
> *Animals:*
>
>    - pangolin - ?*mantyctimabru (? + mantyctimabru; scaly anteater) *Here
>    I am trying to figure out what Lojbanic word would mean "scale" in the
>    sense of an integumentary flake, as on a reptile, a fish, or on the wings
>    of a butterfly or moth.
>    - tadpole - cifpipybanfi (cif, rafsi of cifnu + pipybanfi; baby frog),
>    on the model of "ciftoldi" (caterpillar).
>    - froglet - naru'epipybanfi (naru'e + pipybanfi; almost-frog)
>    - newly-metamorphosed frog* - ci'opipybanfi (ci'o, rafsi of citno +
>    pipybanfi; young frog) *What I like to call a "baby frog."
>
> *Ecology:*
>
>    - extinction (in the sense of hunting to or intentionally causing
>    extinction) - mulcatra (mul, rafsi of mulno + catra; complete kill)
>    - extinction (in the sense of dying out naturally or indirectly caused
>    by human activity) - mulnunmro (mul, rafsi of mulno  + nunmro)
>
> Note that I have consulted the jbovlaste for the words (and Wiktionary for
> "mantyctimabru"). I have probably made some mistakes here - please let me
> know what you all think!
>
> Tu'u,
> cariar.jermanis.
>
> PS: When is the schwa (y) added between gismu and their respective rafsi,
> as seen in "pipybanfi" and "mantyctimabru?" For pipybanfi, the rafsi "pip"
> of the gismu "plipe" does not have a final vowel, so I will suppose that
> the schwa is added as a helping vowel. The gismu "manti," which, according
> to the jbovlaste, does not appear to have any rafsi, has a final vowel, and
> the word "anteater" in Lojban could be spelled as mantictimabru, but the
> final "i" of manti is made into a schwa. Why is this?
>
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The schwa is added when the consonants can&#39;t be adjacent due to lojban&=
#39;s phonetic rules, e.g. voiced and unvoiced (like in the case of &quot;p=
&quot; and &quot;b&quot;); lojban also doesn&#39;t permit double consonants=
.<br>

<br>All gismu have a 4-letter rafsi corresponding to their first 4 letters.=
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 6:28 PM, cariar.=
jermanis <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:primitive_tetrapod@yahoo.c=
om" target=3D"_blank">primitive_tetrapod@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br=
>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Coi ro do,<div><br></div><div>I am just lear=
ning Lojban. For my first post, I am going to list some lujvo (compound wor=
ds, from my understanding) that I have made to express certain English word=
s in Lojban. Here is what I have contrived so far:</div>

<div><br></div><div><b>Animals:</b></div><div><ul><li><span style=3D"line-h=
eight:normal">pangolin - ?*mantyctimabru (? +=A0mantyctimabru;=A0scaly=A0an=
teater) *<font size=3D"1">Here I am trying to figure out what Lojbanic word=
 would mean &quot;scale&quot; in the sense of an integumentary flake, as on=
 a reptile, a fish, or on the wings of a butterfly or moth.</font></span><b=
r>

</li><li><span style=3D"line-height:normal"><font>tadpole - cifpipybanfi (c=
if, rafsi of cifnu + pipybanfi; baby frog), on the model of &quot;ciftoldi&=
quot; (caterpillar).=A0<br></font></span></li><li><span style=3D"line-heigh=
t:normal"><font>froglet - naru&#39;epipybanfi (</font></span><span style=3D=
"font-size:small;line-height:normal">naru&#39;e + pipybanfi; almost-frog)</=
span></li>

<li><span style=3D"font-size:small;line-height:normal">newly-metamorphosed =
frog* - ci&#39;opipybanfi (ci&#39;o, rafsi of citno + pipybanfi; young frog=
) *</span><span style=3D"line-height:normal"><font size=3D"1">What I like t=
o call a &quot;baby frog.&quot;</font></span></li>

</ul></div><div><b>Ecology:</b></div><div><ul><li><span style=3D"line-heigh=
t:normal">extinction (in the sense of hunting to or intentionally causing e=
xtinction) - mulcatra (mul, rafsi of mulno + catra; complete kill)</span><b=
r>

</li><li><span style=3D"line-height:normal">extinction (in the sense of dyi=
ng out naturally or indirectly caused by human activity) - mulnunmro (mul, =
rafsi of mulno=A0=A0+ nunmro)</span></li></ul><div><span style=3D"line-heig=
ht:17px">Note that I have consulted the jbovlaste for the words (and Wiktio=
nary for &quot;mantyctimabru&quot;). I have probably made some mistakes her=
e <font>-</font> please let me know what you all think!</span></div>

</div><div><span style=3D"line-height:17px"><br></span></div><div><span sty=
le=3D"line-height:17px">Tu&#39;u,</span></div><div><span style=3D"line-heig=
ht:17px">cariar.jermanis.</span></div><div><span style=3D"line-height:17px"=
><br>

</span></div><div><span style=3D"line-height:17px">PS: When is the schwa (y=
) added between gismu and their respective rafsi, as seen in &quot;pipybanf=
i&quot;=A0and &quot;mantyctimabru?&quot; For pipybanfi, the rafsi &quot;pip=
&quot; of the gismu &quot;plipe&quot; does not have a final vowel, so I wil=
l suppose that the schwa is added as a helping vowel. The gismu &quot;manti=
,&quot; which, according to the jbovlaste, does not appear to have any rafs=
i, has a final vowel, and the word &quot;anteater&quot; in Lojban could be =
spelled as mantictimabru, but the final &quot;i&quot; of manti is made into=
 a schwa. Why is this?</span></div>

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