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Not quite. You need {noi} and {zi'e} to connect descriptors that way:

{la daraiavauc noi nolraitru banli zi'e noi nolraitru le nolraitru zi'e noi
nolraitru le gugde zi'e noi bersa la victaspa'as zi'e noi me la xaxamanic
zi'e noi pu zbasu ti noi nolzda}

Lojban words can't start with {'}, but they can start with {x}; lojban
words tend to avoid the schwa except where necessary for word construction,
so either dropping the "h" or repeating the starting vowel or using a {x}
is probably preferable to starting with a schwa.

You shouldn't make it a fu'ivla (IMHO) because it has limited utility; you
can make something called a "stage-2 fu'ivla", which is really just a
glorified name, by taking the name and prepending {me} to it (e.g. {me la
xaxamanic}, which means "one of the ones referred to by the name
'xaxamanic'").

On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 2:13 AM, cariar.jermanis. <
primitive_tetrapod@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Coi ro do,
>
> Here I will attempt to translate an inscription made by the Persian king
> Darius in his palace at Persepolis.
>
> *Lojban translation:*
> tu'e.
> la daraiavauc*. nolraitru banli. nolraitru le nolraitru ku. nolraitru le
> gugde ku. bersa la victaspahas*. ce 'axamanic**. pu zbasu ti nolzda.
> tu'u
> *I have used the original Old Persian names here, which are  D=C4=81rayav=
au=C5=A1,
> Vi=C5=A1t=C4=81spaha, and Hax=C4=81mani=C5=A1, respectively.
> **In this case, I will make this a fu'ivla. If I wanted to refer to just
> Achaemenes himself, I would say "la 'axamanic." to make it a cmene,
> correct? Also, I am having a feeling that words in Lojban cannot start wi=
th
> /h/, and if this is indeed the case, would I want to add a schwa at the
> beginning?
>
> *English translation of original Old Persian:*
> Darius, great king, king of kings, king of countries, Hystaspes' son, an
> Achaemenid, who built this palace.
>
> Mu'o mi'e cariar.jermanis.
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Not quite. You need {noi} and {zi&#39;e} to connect descriptors that way:<b=
r><br>{la daraiavauc noi nolraitru banli zi&#39;e noi nolraitru le nolraitr=
u zi&#39;e noi nolraitru le gugde zi&#39;e noi bersa la victaspa&#39;as zi&=
#39;e noi me la xaxamanic zi&#39;e noi pu zbasu ti noi nolzda}<br>

<br>Lojban words can&#39;t start with {&#39;}, but they can start with {x};=
 lojban words tend to avoid the schwa except where necessary for word const=
ruction, so either dropping the &quot;h&quot; or repeating the starting vow=
el or using a {x} is probably preferable to starting with a schwa.<br>

<br>You shouldn&#39;t make it a fu&#39;ivla (IMHO) because it has limited u=
tility; you can make something called a &quot;stage-2 fu&#39;ivla&quot;, wh=
ich is really just a glorified name, by taking the name and prepending {me}=
 to it (e.g. {me la xaxamanic}, which means &quot;one of the ones referred =
to by the name &#39;xaxamanic&#39;&quot;).<br>

<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 2:13 AM, cariar.jerm=
anis. <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:primitive_tetrapod@yahoo.com"=
 target=3D"_blank">primitive_tetrapod@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px =
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div>Coi ro do,</div><div><br></div><div>Here I will attempt to translate a=
n inscription made by the Persian king Darius in his palace at Persepolis.<=
/div><div><br></div><div><b>Lojban translation:</b></div><div>tu&#39;e.</di=
v>

<div>la daraiavauc*. nolraitru banli. nolraitru le nolraitru ku. nolraitru =
le gugde ku. bersa la victaspahas*. ce &#39;axamanic**. pu zbasu ti nolzda.=
</div><div>tu&#39;u</div><div>*<font size=3D"1">I have used the original Ol=
d Persian names here, which are =C2=A0D=C4=81rayavau=C5=A1, Vi=C5=A1t=C4=81=
spaha, and Hax=C4=81mani=C5=A1, respectively.</font></div>

<div>**<font size=3D"1">In this case, I will make this a fu&#39;ivla. If I =
wanted to refer to just Achaemenes himself, I would say &quot;la &#39;axama=
nic.&quot; to make it a cmene, correct? Also, I am having a feeling that wo=
rds in Lojban cannot start with /h/, and if this is indeed the case, would =
I want to add a schwa at the beginning?</font></div>

<div><br></div><div><b>English translation of original Old Persian:</b></di=
v><div>Darius, great king, king of kings, king of countries, Hystaspes&#39;=
 son, an Achaemenid, who built this palace.</div><div><br></div><div>Mu&#39=
;o mi&#39;e cariar.jermanis.</div>

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