Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]:41606) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T4ApN-0006yz-N1; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 06:18:41 -0700 Received: by yhoo21 with SMTP id o21sf848115yho.16 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 06:18:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=SJStBpoIygXTqnQVaQ5Z/iVDSCxJvnpnm/2sJIcks24=; b=Cp0Lzc1+xRLv0BuYSvSMqiQ6DRyF+MiYjN1DNZo3VHBe8zuelMAzgfDpmJYcVrOfPT jsQqn7hptaGD7kjCluZx9jgE+YD5mBRVOzwXSctzkphHHnCaamLXsMiged5lFKJ7hvNR cMNZXdc4n5MQABIWSM0QdHazSZou3QMKBCLYLDKRNyxS0Dh1JrITia59wH8bJW+tHkZh lfvvyDHTBp3W/U8hfEv92VvSkWpf5Uz4QGYhZ82ycs6b91NRgwjvRTPO/euhH3HNVs34 RzHFMIVC7gryhC6X4a1DO33oeeP8DirTW+7z+D2aeZN2GbaHcCk87raVhydhH1+qPrgX KTZQ== Received: by 10.52.35.84 with SMTP id f20mr2698564vdj.3.1345641506525; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 06:18:26 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.98.232 with SMTP id el8ls1210387vdb.7.gmail; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 06:18:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.253.5 with SMTP id zw5mr5996654vec.2.1345641505743; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 06:18:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.253.5 with SMTP id zw5mr5996653vec.2.1345641505725; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 06:18:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vb0-f51.google.com (mail-vb0-f51.google.com [209.85.212.51]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y4si771051vds.2.2012.08.22.06.18.25 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 22 Aug 2012 06:18:25 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.51 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.51; Received: by mail-vb0-f51.google.com with SMTP id fn1so947613vbb.10 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 06:18:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.218.133 with SMTP id hq5mr16616892vcb.60.1345641505539; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 06:18:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.4.193 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 06:18:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3462640.WXlmh3XyZz@mehitabel> References: <1897ed28-8a5d-4a2c-8916-8bad921c8240@googlegroups.com> <3462640.WXlmh3XyZz@mehitabel> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 09:18:25 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: zo'oi pomegranate se fanva fu ma From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.51 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9cfc770eec7f504c7da93ea X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --14dae9cfc770eec7f504c7da93ea Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 2:02 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Monday, July 09, 2012 09:28:26 AM Jonathan Jones wrote: > > Also, it doesn't matter how much kinship pomegranates and apples share, > for > > the same reason it doesn't matter that lo latcribe is neither bear nor > cat. > > Descriptive metaphors are to'e forbidden in Lojban. > > lo latcribe be la barda ku ja'a cribe .iku'i lo latcribe be la cmalu cu se > steci lo ka lazyjutsi pamei > > On Monday, July 09, 2012 12:43:16 PM Paul Predkiewicz wrote: > > Or, you could even put the phoenecians into the game, "who were active > > in broadening its cultivation, partly for religious reasons." as > > wikipedia puts it. > > The Phoenicians being active in broadening its cultivation is an argument > for > calling it "rimbone", as Phoenician was closely related to Hebrew. Or > should > it be "rimbonu"? > > Pierre Except that interposing an arbitrary consonant for the purposes of lojbanization would destroy the triliteral root, and make it look like it comes from "r-m-b", which is non-existent (at least in Hebrew). So in this case I'd prefer to not use the Semitic. --gejyspa P.S. Put me down for preferring type-3 fu'ivla over type 4 (but in this case, I wouldn't mind either one, and like the lujvo best). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --14dae9cfc770eec7f504c7da93ea Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at= 2:02 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
On Monday, July 09, 2012 09:28:26 AM Jonathan Jones wrote= :
> Also, it doesn't matter how much kinship pomegranates and apples s= hare, for
> the same reason it doesn't matter that lo latcribe is neither bear= nor cat.
> Descriptive metaphors are to'e forbidden in Lojban.

lo latcribe be la barda ku ja'a cribe .iku'i lo latcribe be l= a cmalu cu se
steci lo ka lazyjutsi pamei

On Monday, July 09, 2012 12:43:16 PM Paul Predkiewicz wrote:
> Or, you could even put the phoenecians into the game, "who were a= ctive
> in broadening its cultivation, partly for religious reasons." as<= br> > wikipedia puts it.

The Phoenicians being active in broadening its cultivation is an argu= ment for
calling it "rimbone", as Phoenician was closely related to Hebrew= . Or should
it be "rimbonu"?

Pierre

=A0 Except that interp= osing an arbitrary consonant for the purposes of lojbanization would destro= y the triliteral root, and make it look like it comes from "r-m-b"= ;, which is non-existent (at least in Hebrew). =A0So in this case I'd p= refer to not use the Semitic.

=A0 --gejyspa

P.S. Put me down= for preferring type-3 fu'ivla over type 4 (but in this case, I wouldn&= #39;t mind either one, and like the lujvo best).

=A0 =A0 =A0=A0

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