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.i'e pei lu {mi prami la platon .i ku'i lo ni go'i ku se zmadu lo ni mi
prami lo ka jetnu} li'u

.i .i'e pei lu {mi prami la platon .i ku'i se mau lo ni go'i ku mi prami lo
ka jetnu} li'u

On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Michael Turniansky
<mturniansky@gmail.com>wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 12:10 AM, Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> On 13 July 2012 15:52, ianek <janek37@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > This doesn't say that I love Plato at all, because I can love truth
>> > more than something which I don't love. And I would use {la platon}
>> > since it was his Greek name (Plato is Latin).
>>
>> You're right. We need to assert {broda} for Plato. I also wasn't aware
>> of his Greek name. Certainly, it's more appropriate.
>>
>> > So I'd rather say {mi broda la platon i ku'i mi zmadu broda lo ka
>> > jetnu} [{lo jetnu} is a true fact (du'u)]
>> >
>>
>> That isn't a correct use of {ka} according to current usage, but was
>> more widely accepted in the past IIRC. Anyway, this is that same
>> problem that we encounter when trying to translate stuff like "love"
>> as a noun. What is love if not the event of someone loving someone
>> else? By that logic: what is the truth if not something being true?
>> Personally, I disapprove of the tanru {zmadu broda} but there's no
>> objective way to say that it's no good, not to mention that I don't
>> really feel like getting in to which reasons I have for disliking it.
>>
>> Considering all that:
>> .i mi broda la. platon .e ku'i mau bo lo nu jetnu
>>
>
>   lo ni mi prami la platon ku no'u  li za'u no cu se zmadu lo ni mi prami
> loi ka jetnu
>
> ;-)
>             --gejyspa
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.i&#39;e pei lu {mi prami la platon .i ku&#39;i lo ni go&#39;i ku se zmadu =
lo ni mi prami lo ka jetnu} li&#39;u<br><br>.i .i&#39;e pei lu {mi prami la=
 platon .i ku&#39;i se mau lo ni go&#39;i ku mi prami lo ka jetnu} li&#39;u=
 <br>

<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Michael Tur=
niansky <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mturniansky@gmail.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">mturniansky@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im">On Sa=
t, Jul 14, 2012 at 12:10 AM, Jacob Errington <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:nictytan@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">nictytan@gmail.com</a>&gt;=
</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>On 13 July 2012 15:52, ianek &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:janek37@gmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank">janek37@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; This doesn&#39;t say that I love Plato at all, because I can love trut=
h<br>
&gt; more than something which I don&#39;t love. And I would use {la platon=
}<br>
&gt; since it was his Greek name (Plato is Latin).<br>
<br>
</div>You&#39;re right. We need to assert {broda} for Plato. I also wasn&#3=
9;t aware<br>
of his Greek name. Certainly, it&#39;s more appropriate.<br>
<div><br>
&gt; So I&#39;d rather say {mi broda la platon i ku&#39;i mi zmadu broda lo=
 ka<br>
&gt; jetnu} [{lo jetnu} is a true fact (du&#39;u)]<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
</div>That isn&#39;t a correct use of {ka} according to current usage, but =
was<br>
more widely accepted in the past IIRC. Anyway, this is that same<br>
problem that we encounter when trying to translate stuff like &quot;love&qu=
ot;<br>
as a noun. What is love if not the event of someone loving someone<br>
else? By that logic: what is the truth if not something being true?<br>
Personally, I disapprove of the tanru {zmadu broda} but there&#39;s no<br>
objective way to say that it&#39;s no good, not to mention that I don&#39;t=
<br>
really feel like getting in to which reasons I have for disliking it.<br>
<br>
Considering all that:<br>
.i mi broda la. platon .e ku&#39;i mau bo lo nu jetnu<br></blockquote><div>=
=A0</div></div><div>=A0 lo ni mi prami la platon ku no&#39;u =A0li za&#39;u=
 no cu se zmadu lo ni mi prami loi ka jetnu</div><div><br></div><div>;-)</d=
iv>

<div>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa</div><div><br></div></div></div><div class=
=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">

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