Received: from mail-gh0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]:51123) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T7Dqp-0004Sw-DB; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 16:08:45 -0700 Received: by ghbf16 with SMTP id f16sf2032830ghb.16 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 16:08:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=NWyL5XjGyKWBpVX8w8sRDkHjuRmBhCXgK35MWM4uMJE=; b=K7o5o1qEaroYRi1MIt+4OvuOfL4b1NgIhJb/al5b3/O6EXsimKVEZUieVtG+svFd5Y dwhtrOJUNJ6n8R94ygL5ksJgLuDbtSB2BGfuNlgwbnWkQH9sQHJvT9k9dHLyM0UMFCgN oMWM5bt3gLiYLQwKrBWq1tQOrW0t6NMtdcMLBgyHHCjmVy8j19LE6PFAyfmZD+zxoVFc CHmzUAwf8Bqq2I1Ff9PAIy3HjJz5sRpsI2Olm8gu7UGRtZP5kmO+wmsqX5rNxBTaJr8p xyUFTNwG5SKae4Z54mhQAlJbWQ6juDNxxHSgNZ+iIfKQ84jEq0u5e7rS8wg2bfssJkKT pOJg== Received: by 10.52.37.74 with SMTP id w10mr1283389vdj.8.1346368112748; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 16:08:32 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.66.242 with SMTP id i18ls2846454vdt.5.gmail; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 16:08:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.28.83 with SMTP id z19mr1284523vdg.20.1346368112172; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 16:08:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 16:08:31 -0700 (PDT) From: tengo To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <4f1d2a13-3ec8-4f9b-8bd7-d5ba9955f142@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: <41ab065f-9725-4e76-b970-8990fd503052@p27g2000vbl.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: xu kau MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: yurock.tengo@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of yurock.tengo@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=yurock.tengo@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_40_17195496.1346368111786" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_40_17195496.1346368111786 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I think the issue really isn't with the "xu", but the fact that NA is > scoped over the whole bridi > I think, here, function of {na} is very simple. Let's suppose, the "previous" sentence is {.i ta mlatu xu}. Then {go'i} = {ta mlatu} = "that's true" {na go'i} = {ta na mlatu} = {na ku ta mlatu} = "that's false" But that's not the point. More important is that {ta mlatu xu} does not contain a claim. The questioner usually doesn't even know whether that is a cat or not. Now does {do jinvi lo du'u ta mlatu xu ku ta} contain a claim? Does it say that you indeed have some opinion about that object? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/cOyyk5RK1FsJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. ------=_Part_40_17195496.1346368111786 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think the issue really isn't with the "xu", but the fa= ct that NA is scoped over the whole bridi
 
I think, here, function of {na} is very simple. Let's suppo= se, the "previous" sentence is {.i ta mlatu xu}. Then
{go'i} =3D {ta mla= tu} =3D "that's true"
{na go'i} =3D {ta na mlatu} =3D {na ku ta mlatu} = =3D "that's false"

But that's not the point. More important is that = {ta mlatu xu} does not contain a claim. The questioner usually doesn't even= know whether that is a cat or not. Now does {do jinvi lo du'u ta mlatu xu = ku ta} contain a claim? Does it say that you indeed have some opinion about= that object?

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