Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]:46942) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T8oKz-0002uV-5f; Tue, 04 Sep 2012 01:18:26 -0700 Received: by yhoo21 with SMTP id o21sf5969967yho.16 for ; Tue, 04 Sep 2012 01:18:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=e0yhmHuXJ7j5Rbgc77pBAHMePNx1dDbKjOekJlA+fB4=; b=HesWgyoo66YiLFF78OExm/F9CKQPYigi1wp2yZKYH6l7bApG98RDe8F+BmAtzG4XZ9 yvOcgpvP/oiuhFuU2/V9hdWrCoN6FyaqcvWIjOIy1XT3MNjiRjgHJ01vwgJsJJbDV5TH INVoRk0rcHcEfw4BAkdopyRBQiQwQyAwQrkNVrAXxyhizr1dUaZsu+2pYaiOZzGZTvdc Rl5xp9Kt/rTEtRyyC3dsiWfUCEV0w6eXrxQDXc+ywhTfA3zy44lO7iQAu8MHbG/Nqfr5 qng+0I2XbT+z5ZH9lAMXS4xouUTArUZ+3AMbo0W/quXAbPyNc8g1sJqdOJV5Soohxhvl JO0w== Received: by 10.52.35.84 with SMTP id f20mr2168334vdj.3.1346746694369; Tue, 04 Sep 2012 01:18:14 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.141.210 with SMTP id n18ls4601915vcu.2.gmail; Tue, 04 Sep 2012 01:18:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.222.100 with SMTP id ql4mr4438248vec.22.1346746693901; Tue, 04 Sep 2012 01:18:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.222.100 with SMTP id ql4mr4438247vec.22.1346746693893; Tue, 04 Sep 2012 01:18:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vc0-f175.google.com (mail-vc0-f175.google.com [209.85.220.175]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ef10si1726010vdb.3.2012.09.04.01.18.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 04 Sep 2012 01:18:13 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.175 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.175; Received: by vcbfy27 with SMTP id fy27so7047210vcb.20 for ; Tue, 04 Sep 2012 01:18:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.74.3 with SMTP id p3mr15188410vev.27.1346746693703; Tue, 04 Sep 2012 01:18:13 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.58.248.41 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 01:18:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <369b1b83-0407-4ccf-aa59-89a5ffbaf473@googlegroups.com> References: <369b1b83-0407-4ccf-aa59-89a5ffbaf473@googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 09:18:13 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Where should I use sets and where should I use masses? From: tijlan To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: paskios@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.175 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=paskios@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On 2 September 2012 13:47, gleki wrote: > {loi prenu cu sruri lo dinju} - why not lo gunma be lo prenu cu sruri lo dinju? {loi prenu} means {lo gunma be lo prenu}. If you reckon the latter is correct, you would think the former is correct too. That's a comparison between different ways of expressing a mass, whereas "Where should I use sets and where should I use masses?" is asking for a comparison between set expressions & mass expressions in the same places: ( loi / lo'i ) prenu cu sruri lo dinju -- which gadri? > {lo'i tirxu cu cmalu} - why not so'u tirxu? Do you mean "Why {lo'i tirxu cu cmalu} and not {so'u tirxu}?" or "Why {lo'i tirxu cu cmalu} and not {so'u tirxu cu cmalu}?" or "Why {lo'i tirxu cu cmalu} and not {loi tirxu cu so'u mei}?" ? mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.