Received: from mail-lb0-f189.google.com ([209.85.217.189]:53736) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T9ko6-000634-8A; Thu, 06 Sep 2012 15:44:37 -0700 Received: by lban1 with SMTP id n1sf850219lba.16 for ; Thu, 06 Sep 2012 15:44:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=tg/MrG9uDuRto0zWPZOiGOfsj1QFMzMHky1piWMIz04=; b=fNRGuTGDGm2+GzeU+OlhpQpKLgzeoXwQeN82xcTMwoCzJJR0a0y71d/ZLM/mfq+AQZ tGaguN5XomECleC3Z4hsR7WC7YAL2oeVHZjVoDMNvirr3pVktofpQl5uPOTKs/H7S00E oXkvkkgsF9MWUv0cBJA94YYnVs0pJywtlSmWFvqEerVcfbV1xGJSbmb7DUULDUrl+xTj 2vu4z5nWRrintbwQjpO0kLrSomB32qYbFYFG2bSkh1Nv30ZimifV0cVtwgkZCqLxi+hE LASEn+FzuhiFtXM9rRXGH9NedqS7unowp0JLUC/o7sitj8UKrRzzkdYeJKxCuzmXW8h/ biVQ== Received: by 10.204.153.214 with SMTP id l22mr113523bkw.3.1346971449880; Thu, 06 Sep 2012 15:44:09 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.145.73 with SMTP id c9ls756bkv.7.gmail; Thu, 06 Sep 2012 15:44:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.154.76 with SMTP id n12mr365124bkw.1.1346971448938; Thu, 06 Sep 2012 15:44:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.154.76 with SMTP id n12mr365123bkw.1.1346971448731; Thu, 06 Sep 2012 15:44:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f52.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f52.google.com [209.85.215.52]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k7si789855bks.2.2012.09.06.15.44.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 06 Sep 2012 15:44:08 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.52 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.52; Received: by lage4 with SMTP id e4so1254780lag.25 for ; Thu, 06 Sep 2012 15:44:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.110.46 with SMTP id hx14mr3336843lab.21.1346971448141; Thu, 06 Sep 2012 15:44:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.40.71 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Sep 2012 15:44:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 16:44:08 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Gismu audio crowd source project (was: Lojban on Memrise) From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com, lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54ee3bcb068f804c9103a6c X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --bcaec54ee3bcb068f804c9103a6c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If anyone who is willing to help is not doing so because they think they don't enough Lojban for the task, this page of the CLL is /all/ the spefically Lojban knowledge that is required: http://dag.github.com/cll/2/2/: .... Lojban has six recognized vowels: =93a=94, =93e=94, =93i=94, =93o=94, =93u= =94 and =93y=94. The first five are roughly pronounced as =93a=94 as in =93father=94, =93e=94 as= in =93let=94, =93i=94 as in =93machine=94, =93o=94 as in =93dome=94 and =93u=94 as in =93= flute=94. =93y=94 is pronounced as the sound called =93schwa=94, that is, as the unstressed =93a= =94 as in =93about=94 or =93around=94. Twelve consonants in Lojban are pronounced more or less as their counterparts are in English: =93b=94, =93d=94, =93f=94, =93k=94, =93l=94, = =93m=94, =93n=94, =93p=94, =93r=94, =93t=94, =93v=94 and =93z=94. The letter =93c=94, on the other hand is pron= ounced as the =93sh=94 in =93hush=94, while =93j=94 is its voiced counterpart, the sound = of the =93s=94 in =93pleasure=94. =93g=94 is always pronounced as it is in =93gift=94, nev= er as in =93giant=94. =93s=94 is as in =93sell=94, never as in =93rose=94. The sound= of =93x=94 is not found in English in normal words. It is found as =93ch=94 in Scottish =93lo= ch=94, as =93j=94 in Spanish =93junta=94, and as =93ch=94 in German =93Bach=94; it= also appears in the English interjection =93yecchh!=94. It gets easier to say as you practi= ce it. The letter =93r=94 can be trilled, but doesn=92t have to be. The Lojban diphthongs =93ai=94, =93ei=94, =93oi=94, and =93au=94 are pronou= nced much as in the English words =93sigh=94, =93say=94, =93boy=94, and =93how=94. Other Lo= jban diphthongs begin with an =93i=94 pronounced like English =93y=94 (for example, =93io= =94 is pronounced =93yo=94) or else with a =93u=94 pronounced like English =93w=94= (for example, =93ua=94 is pronounced =93wa=94). .... All Lojban words are pronounced as they are spelled: there are no silent letters. On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 3:30 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > Each job will be essentially the same, with the only difference between > them being the actual words in your chunk > > With that in mind, these are the skills and software that are required to > do this job: > > You must be able to recognize a gismu from it's pronunciation. This means > that you must be able to identify and type the word solely from the audio= . > If you know Lojban's pronunciation, this is not difficult. This is requir= ed > because while Lindar recorded the audio /mostly/ in frequency order, some > were skipped, and some needed to be re-recorded. If you need a list of th= e > gismu in frequency order, you can find it here: > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Word+frequency+lists%3A+gismu > > It is possible that there are more of both unrecorded and badly recorded > words (badly recorded being words that are unidentifiable for any reason)= . > If you encounter either in the course of your job, you must be able to > contact Lindar, likely preferably via email, to inform him of these words > so that he can submit new recordings. In the case of a word or three, > preferably to yourself. In the case of a chunk's worth of words, preferab= ly > to me so I can add the recording to the chunk list for claimage. > > You must possess, on the computer you will be using to work on, Audacity, > available for free here: http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ > > You must possess, on the same computer, the LAME MP3 encoder. You can > download it at this site: http://lame.sourceforge.net/, which provides > the source code, or you can go here: > http://lame.sourceforge.net/links.php#Binaries to download a binary, or > for Windows users you can download the .dll directly from the instruction= s > page that I will make if I get any volunteers. > > You must know how to collect a group of files into an archive. It does no= t > matter if you use .zip, .rar, .7z, .tar, .tar.gz, .tar.bz > > , or any other format not mentioned. > > You must know how to attach a file to an email. > > You must be able to follow written instructions, which you can find here: > http://tinyurl.com/gismu-instructions > > Finally, you must be willing to sacrifice some of your free time to do th= e > actual job. These last two are in my opinion no-brainers. > > If you meet these criteria, please go to http://tinyurl.com/gacsp-signup, > claim one or more chunks and type your name into the sign up field so > everyone else knows you've claimed that chunk, and follow the download li= nk > to download your chunk in mp3 format. > > There are 11 chunks total. Each chunk is ~6 minutes of audio, which based > on my rather basic math should be ~100 gismu in each chunk. > > When you have completed your chunk, place all the files into an archive > and email them to me. Then, if you like, grab another chunk. If you don't > like, go do something else. > > I don't know how good of an incentive this is, but you should know that > this audio, once it's been pulled apart into a usable format (the goal of > this project), it will be the audio for the various learning programs > currently in existence and probably for future ones as well. This means t= he > current lessons on Anki and Memrise specifically, and more generally any > other places where someone feels inclined to upload audio for how to > pronounce the gismu. > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den. --bcaec54ee3bcb068f804c9103a6c Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If anyone who is willing to help is not doing so because they think they do= n't enough Lojban for the task, this page of the CLL is /all/ the spefi= cally Lojban knowledge that is required:

http://dag.github.com/cll/2/2/:

....

Lojban has six recognized vowels: =93a=94, =93e=94, =93i=94,= =93o=94, =93u=94 and =93y=94.=20 The first five are roughly pronounced as =93a=94 as in =93father=94, =93e= =94 as in=20 =93let=94, =93i=94 as in =93machine=94, =93o=94 as in =93dome=94 and =93u= =94 as in =93flute=94. =93y=94=20 is pronounced as the sound called =93schwa=94, that is, as the unstressed= =20 =93a=94 as in =93about=94 or =93around=94.

Twelve consonants in Lojban are pronounced more or less as their=20 counterparts are in English: =93b=94, =93d=94, =93f=94, =93k=94, =93l=94, = =93m=94, =93n=94, =93p=94,=20 =93r=94, =93t=94, =93v=94 and =93z=94. The letter =93c=94, on the other han= d is pronounced=20 as the =93sh=94 in =93hush=94, while =93j=94 is its voiced counterpart, the= sound of the =93s=94 in =93pleasure=94. =93g=94 is always pronounced as it is in = =93gift=94,=20 never as in =93giant=94. =93s=94 is as in =93sell=94, never as in =93rose= =94. The sound=20 of =93x=94 is not found in English in normal words. It is found as =93ch=94= in=20 Scottish =93loch=94, as =93j=94 in Spanish =93junta=94, and as =93ch=94 in = German=20 =93Bach=94; it also appears in the English interjection =93yecchh!=94. It g= ets=20 easier to say as you practice it. The letter =93r=94 can be trilled, but=20 doesn=92t have to be.

The Lojban diphthongs =93ai=94, =93ei=94, =93oi=94, and =93au=94 are pro= nounced much=20 as in the English words =93sigh=94, =93say=94, =93boy=94, and =93how=94. Ot= her Lojban=20 diphthongs begin with an =93i=94 pronounced like English =93y=94 (for examp= le,=20 =93io=94 is pronounced =93yo=94) or else with a =93u=94 pronounced like Eng= lish =93w=94=20 (for example, =93ua=94 is pronounced =93wa=94).

....

All Lojban words are pronounced as they are spelled: there ar= e no silent letters.


On Thu, Sep 6= , 2012 at 3:30 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:=
Each job will be essentially the same, with = the only difference between them being the actual words in your chunk
With that in mind, these are the skills and software that are required to d= o this job:

You must be able to recognize a gismu from it's pronunciation. This= =20 means that you must be able to identify and type the word solely from=20 the audio. If you know Lojban's pronunciation, this is not difficult.= =20 This is required because while Lindar recorded the audio /mostly/ in=20 frequency order, some were skipped, and some needed to be re-recorded.=20 If you need a list of the gismu in frequency order, you can find it=20 here: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Word+frequency+lists%3A+gismu<= /a>

It is possible that there are more of both unrecorded and badly=20 recorded words (badly recorded being words that are unidentifiable for=20 any reason). If you encounter either in the course of your job, you must be able to contact Lindar, likely preferably via email, to inform him=20 of these words so that he can submit new recordings. In the case of a=20 word or three, preferably to yourself. In the case of a chunk's worth o= f words, preferably to me so I can add the recording to the chunk list=20 for claimage.

You must possess, on the computer you will be using to work on, Audacit= y, available for free here:
http://audacity.sourceforge.net/

You must posses= s, on the same computer, the LAME MP3 encoder. You can download it at this = site: http://lam= e.sourceforge.net/, which provides the source code, or you can go here:= http://lame.sourceforge.net/links.php#Binaries to download a binary, or for Windows users you can download the .dll=20 directly from the instructions page that I will make if I get any=20 volunteers.

You must know how to collect a group of files into an archive. It does = not matter if you use .zip, .rar, .7z, .tar, .tar.gz, .tar.bz
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, or any other format not mentioned.

You must know how to a= ttach a file to an email.

You must be able to follow written instructions, which you can find her= e: http= ://tinyurl.com/gismu-instructions

Finally, you must be willing to sacrifice some of your free time to do the actual=20 job. These last two are in my opinion no-brainers.

If = you meet these criteria, please go to http://tinyurl.com/gacsp-signup, claim one or = more chunks and type your name into the sign up field so everyone else=20 knows you've claimed that chunk, and follow the download link to=20 download your chunk in mp3 format.

There are 11 chunks total.=20 Each chunk is ~6 minutes of audio, which based on my rather basic math=20 should be ~100 gismu in each chunk.

When you have completed your chunk, place all the files into an=20 archive and email them to me. Then, if you like, grab another chunk. If=20 you don't like, go do something else.

I don't know how good = of an incentive this is, but you should know that this audio, once it's= been pulled apart into a usable format (the goal of this project), it will= be the audio for the various learning programs currently in existence and = probably for future ones as well. This means the current lessons on Anki an= d Memrise specifically, and more generally any other places where someone f= eels inclined to upload audio for how to pronounce the gismu.

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo piln= o be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Lu= ke, I am your father. :D )




--
mu'o = mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi= .luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father= . :D )

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