Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]:53458) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TAjD5-0005Nu-Q4; Sun, 09 Sep 2012 08:14:13 -0700 Received: by yhoo21 with SMTP id o21sf1359220yho.16 for ; Sun, 09 Sep 2012 08:14:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=xjOp3dCoNXKD7ITbx7WmQK4my2ihuqu3m+uhtESYDxU=; b=xrfOPSgGI2l7dUyUY/PxkxCz7hIvdOSXMCnUE17z7hvZhj/WqTuqi9WtKYdptKV87J 3cSHGf8juouJpJ6IFBquGRqCv/CXS2hIZUXfyzN4NIEEXG5CvDthgndBP9XkL60O4eiy A+zL5Fh6J7HhrR96cs+LAdmocxzO4LrYfsN2dRFIatWrM24N3P8MDHqi7Sx5mwbER63K 4JortZImFN9+RUZYAxuSc67ehm4jJx6Nfn2yt1QQS7tsc0gMosHCInze9fpyKUBt83RX IxHXagUlK6iByt8JZ9YX8gI+S5LZrbPOvr70I38OgU4tqJ0wXvD8AF13gTKypykLFCL9 GwBg== Received: by 10.236.201.134 with SMTP id b6mr1486343yho.15.1347203641167; Sun, 09 Sep 2012 08:14:01 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.27.5 with SMTP id e5ls225882anj.9.gmail; Sun, 09 Sep 2012 08:14:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.115.33 with SMTP id d21mr661830yhh.12.1347203640555; Sun, 09 Sep 2012 08:14:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 08:13:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Milligan To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <41c98bc3-6fe4-4b01-b781-28ee6ed2759a@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20be4ca8-903c-4c64-bf94-554dd2a6bd92@googlegroups.com> <990957eb-a351-49c8-98d2-cfe4643f74db@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Animal noises MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: amilligan74@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of amilligan74@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=amilligan74@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1117_18919707.1347203639952" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_1117_18919707.1347203639952 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Wow! Thanks all. Looking at these suggestions I think I like 'uuf' for my dog sound. (I honestly wasn't even aware of 'uu' as a diphthong...I told you I was new to this language). So now I am left with a number of option for constructing it. Do I... 1. Just say it. .i uufuuf 2. Call it an onomatopoeia .i sa'ei uufuuf 3 Make it a quotation .i lu uufuuf li'u 4. Some other option? Again, I really appreciate all your help. Adam On Sunday, September 9, 2012 3:27:09 AM UTC-6, tijlan wrote: > > "Woof!" isn't always a noise. Many non-human expressions are still > cognitive products and represent something in a non-random way. They > can have meanings and are different from non-cognitive sounds such as > "Splash!". > > "Woof!" may not have a layered syntax or an argument structure, which > is analogous to Lojban's observatives (selbri-only expressions). An > observative with an avalent (zero-argument) brivla could work much as > "Woof!", in my opinion. > > If we were to create a brivla for each animal exression, probably we > would have to tap into the expandability of fu'ivla, much like we did > for certain ISO codes: > > > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ai4mbIPr2PUwdENVckVaOTJLbVdGVE5SeGJ0MTBTbGc > > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ai4mbIPr2PUwdGNYUFhrdmV1cmpLeVVQZkNSU3dBYUE > > We could have a similar list of expressional sounds using some kind of > indicative prefixes. For example: > > cmo,ufu / gerku,uu (Woof!) > cmonkua / datkakua (Quack!) > cmomiau / mlatumiau (Meow!) > > molxisi / sincexisi (Hiss!) > > zbi,onki / xarju,onki (Oink!) > > These would all be zero-argument and compatible with {lu ... li'u}. > > > mu'o > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/wRkJxw-uYskJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. ------=_Part_1117_18919707.1347203639952 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow!  Thanks all.  Looking at these suggestions I think I like 'u= uf' for my dog sound.  (I honestly wasn't even aware of 'uu' as a diph= thong...I told you I was new to this language).  So now I am left with= a number of option for constructing it.  Do I...

1= .  Just say it.  
        .i uufuuf=
2.  Call it an onomatopoeia
    &n= bsp;   .i  sa'ei uufuuf
3  Make it a quotation
        .i lu uufuuf li'u
4.  Som= e other option?

Again, I really appreciate all you= r help.

Adam 

On Sunday, Septem= ber 9, 2012 3:27:09 AM UTC-6, tijlan wrote:
"Woof!" isn't always a noise. Many non-human expressions are s= till
cognitive products and represent something in a non-random way. They
can have meanings and are different from non-cognitive sounds such as
"Splash!".

"Woof!" may not have a layered syntax or an argument structure, which
is analogous to Lojban's observatives (selbri-only expressions). An
observative with an avalent (zero-argument) brivla could work much as
"Woof!", in my opinion.

If we were to create a brivla for each animal exression, probably we
would have to tap into the expandability of fu'ivla, much like we did
for certain ISO codes:

https://docs.google.com/<= wbr>spreadsheet/ccc?key=3D0Ai4mbIPr2PUwdENVckVaOTJLbVdGVE5SeGJ0MT= BTbGc
https://docs.google.com/<= wbr>spreadsheet/ccc?key=3D0Ai4mbIPr2PUwdGNYUFhrdmV1cmpLeVVQZkNSU3= dBYUE

We could have a similar list of expressional sounds using some kind of
indicative prefixes. For example:

cmo,ufu / gerku,uu (Woof!)
cmonkua / datkakua (Quack!)
cmomiau / mlatumiau (Meow!)

molxisi / sincexisi (Hiss!)

zbi,onki / xarju,onki (Oink!)

These would all be zero-argument and compatible with {lu ... li'u}.


mu'o

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