wrote: > I was attempting to phrase "I have decided to learn Lojban". I get "I have > decided" as: "puku mi jdice" for the first part. I have as the process of > becoming skilled at lojban: "lo pu'u mi certu la lojban". > > Can I use this in x2 of jdice? It seems like a decision should be in there > opposed to the abstract concept "the processing of becoming skilled at > Lojban". Or does using it in x2 of jdice make the process the thing I have > decided to embark on? > > ki'e > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/E2VAwBgdJNIJ. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --047d7b5d4680b9017604cb96613a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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{pu'u}, along with {nu}'s other "= disciples" like {zu'o}, are a subclass of {nu}. If using {nu} seem= s weird, then using any of the more specific ones like {pu'u} or {zu= 9;o} is also weird.=A0

jdice's x2 wants a {du'u} (or something that refers = to one).=A0

For starters, {lo du'u mi certu la= lojban} isn't quite right because {la lojban} is concrete: it refers t= o the language. You can't have skill *at a language*, but you can have = skill at speaking it, or writing it, or some combination of those. You can = be explicit and use a full abstraction in certu2, such as {mi certu lo ka c= e'u se bangu la lojban}, but considering how unnecessarily lengthy that= is, you can replace the abstraction with a tu'a-construction: {mi cert= u tu'a la lojban}

Next, {mi certu tu'a la lojban} has another problem= . It'd mean "I have skill at [some abstraction involving] Lojban,&= quot; whereas you mean it to mean "I intend to become skillful at [som= e abstraction involving] Lojban." To get that "become", we c= an simply shove {binxo} into the mix: {mi binxo lo ka [ce'u] certu tu&#= 39;a la lojban}, or use a lujvo form such as {mi crebi'o tu'a la lo= jban}.

As for the level higher, simply replacing your {pu'= u} with {du'u} is perhaps enough: {.i mi jdice lo du'u mi crebi'= ;o tu'a la lojban}. But that bridi is very passive; you could simply be= describing yourself. The English has to do with intention more than decisi= on. Including intention into the jdice2 would be the ideal solution, I thin= k. Doing so can be done simply in the form of an attitudinal such as {.ai} = ({lo du'u .ai mi crebi'o tu'a la lojban}) or by mixing in {zukt= e} which is how I believe intention is best handled (others will certainly = suggest other methods) : {lo du'u mi zukte lo ka crebi'o tu'a l= a lojban}, or again, an equivalent lujvo form {lo du'u mi crebi'ozu= 'e tu'a la lojban}.

Finally, passing that du'u-sumti we just created to= jdice2 does the trick: {.i mi jdice lo du'u mi crebi'ozu'e tu&= #39;a la lojban}, but hey, it turns out that we can lujvo this even further= ! {.i mi crebi'ozu'ejdi tu'a la lojban}, but making proper lujv= o is a more complicated subject still.=A0

In the full form, including all the abstractions, the s= olution I propose turns out being {.i mi jdice lo du'u mi zukte lo ka b= inxo lo ka certu lo ka ce'u se bangu la lojban}. Aren't lujvo a bla= st?

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

On 8 October 2012 14:13, <martinw92@gmail.com> w= rote:

I was attempting to phrase "I have deci= ded to learn Lojban". I get "I have decided" as: "puku = mi jdice" for the first part. I have as the process of becoming skille= d at lojban: "lo pu'u mi certu la lojban".

Can I use this in x2 of jdice? It seems like a decision should=20 be in there opposed to the abstract concept "the processing of becomin= g skilled at Lojban". Or does using it in x2 of jdice make the process= the thing I have decided to embark on?

ki'e

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