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 "ga" and "wa"
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coi

{kau} is only used inside abstractions to make indirect questions.

However, your intuition is right about placement of the particle. The cmavo
you want to use for this is {xu}.

{.i do xu klama} "Is it you who goes?" (as opposed to someone else)
{.i do klama xu} "Are you *going*?" (as opposed to doing something else)

In both cases, the answer can be {na go'i} or {go'i}.

{.i do xu klama} "Is it you who goes?" {.i na go'i .i lo mamta ku klama}
"No, my mother is going."
{.i do klama xu} "Are you *going*?" {.i na go'i .i mi ca citka} "No, I'm
eating now."

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

On 11 October 2012 17:21, .iocikun.juj. <yoshikuni.jujo@gmail.com> wrote:

> coi rodo
>
> I'm sorry that I have bad English skill.
> Please forgive it.
>
> English "I go" is "watashi ga iku" or "watashi wa iku" in Japanese.
>
> Who goes? I go. -> watashi ga iku
> What do you do? I go. -> watashi wa iku
>
> The difference is listener's knowledge.
>
> If listener knows that someone go but doesn't know that who go, speaker
> say "watashi ga iku".
> If listener knows that speaker do something but doesn't know that what
> does speaker do, speaker say "watashi wa iku".
>
> "watashi ga iku" and "watashi wa iku" is different at listener's knowledge.
>
> I think I can use "kau" to express the difference.
>
> "watashi ga iku" is "mi kau klama" and
> "watashi wa iku" is "mi klama kau".
>
> I think this usage of "kau" can be more general.
> The "kau" can express listener's knowledge.
>
> Is it right?
> I think it is very good definition of "kau".
>
> ki'e
> mi'e .iocikun.juj.
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<div>coi</div><div><br></div>{kau} is only used inside abstractions to make=
 indirect questions.<div><br></div><div>However, your intuition is right ab=
out placement of the particle. The cmavo you want to use for this is {xu}.<=
/div>

<div><br></div><div>{.i do xu klama} &quot;Is it you who goes?&quot; (as op=
posed to someone else)</div><div>{.i do klama xu} &quot;Are you *going*?&qu=
ot; (as opposed to doing something else)</div><div><br></div><div>In both c=
ases, the answer can be {na go&#39;i} or {go&#39;i}.</div>

<div><br></div><div>{.i do xu klama} &quot;Is it you who goes?&quot; {.i na=
 go&#39;i .i lo mamta ku klama} &quot;No, my mother is going.&quot;</div><d=
iv>{.i do klama xu} &quot;Are you *going*?&quot; {.i na go&#39;i .i mi ca c=
itka} &quot;No, I&#39;m eating now.&quot;</div>

<div><br></div><div>.i mi&#39;e la tsani mu&#39;o<br><br><div class=3D"gmai=
l_quote">On 11 October 2012 17:21, .iocikun.juj. <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:yoshikuni.jujo@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">yoshikuni.jujo@gm=
ail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">coi rodo<br><br>I&#39;m sorry that I have ba=
d English skill.<br>Please forgive it.<br><br>English &quot;I go&quot; is &=
quot;watashi ga iku&quot; or &quot;watashi wa iku&quot; in Japanese.<br>

<br>Who goes? I go. -&gt; watashi ga iku<br>What do you do? I go. -&gt; wat=
ashi wa iku<br><br>The difference is listener&#39;s knowledge.<br><br>If li=
stener knows that someone go but doesn&#39;t know that who go, speaker say =
&quot;watashi ga iku&quot;.<br>

If listener knows that speaker do something but doesn&#39;t know that what =
does speaker do, speaker say &quot;watashi wa iku&quot;.<br><br>&quot;watas=
hi ga iku&quot; and &quot;watashi wa iku&quot; is different at listener&#39=
;s knowledge.<br>

<br>I think I can use &quot;kau&quot; to express the difference.<br><br>&qu=
ot;watashi ga iku&quot; is &quot;mi kau klama&quot; and<br>&quot;watashi wa=
 iku&quot; is &quot;mi klama kau&quot;.<br><br>I think this usage of &quot;=
kau&quot; can be more general.<br>

The &quot;kau&quot; can express listener&#39;s knowledge.<br><br>Is it righ=
t?<br>I think it is very good definition of &quot;kau&quot;.<br><br>ki&#39;=
e<br>mi&#39;e .iocikun.juj.<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><=
br>



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