Received: from mail-yh0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]:61408) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TMZGu-0004mt-6V; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 00:03:07 -0700 Received: by mail-yh0-f61.google.com with SMTP id o21sf2036780yho.16 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 00:02:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=/wE1sn12tc6/7HI3sYjCbsy0/9zeRV+uRfpG5fcKOpM=; b=ub0xFKwSxEB681biYslCLZL/PVT1zw5fyXKpKwvimJZdVdfshIZEXdWTLU3j2Wt1MY 6ZSZQPRBUxKFkHj5Bbhs8Ru36XBCCf917vhvaI1ByDPKyTubq7AtUmzGv9qhCfqxGZQX zGwgary99meixWFYmrY6TczVRn6/P8fcQy5mLd78v9QmzVKrmPUkIdQjKnbFzfZbjNFF 5QXmlS8caU4UOg0mFP4XJP33CKfiJBbwpmAmN83hqmzzCe2XwdXCokYBwEIocB7PuBKs y0H9fIEmVJQVyjwDs5iajIKRSLSc96r0Dn67QGgfFXtjyZUgCWd+4jdsHthNboozF6wO TztQ== Received: by 10.52.30.164 with SMTP id t4mr680449vdh.4.1350025373397; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 00:02:53 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.67.52 with SMTP id k20ls1954762vdt.1.gmail; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 00:02:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.29.174 with SMTP id l14mr670409vdh.13.1350025372922; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 00:02:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 00:02:52 -0700 (PDT) From: gleki To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <846225b9-c69c-4a83-b860-78f76e69d991@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <0e2e5c30-9a9a-4c43-852d-5d9d855d3825@googlegroups.com> References: <3dce2eae-f93d-4ce4-8965-3d6b61a7f7bf@googlegroups.com> <0e2e5c30-9a9a-4c43-852d-5d9d855d3825@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] I think I can use "kau" to express Japanese "ga" and "wa" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1080_28798958.1350025372347" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_1080_28798958.1350025372347 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I see no problem here. Japanese wa - ga are topic-comment markers. Read the CLL on that. the CLL gives an example from Chinese that lacks separate words in this case for that. But generally it's the same. {zo'u} can do the trick. http://dag.github.com/cll/19/4/ On Friday, October 12, 2012 9:18:18 AM UTC+4, .iocikun.juj. wrote: > > > {mi viska da gi'e da prami ko} is "Please show me the person who loves >> you" or "Please be loved by the person who I see". >> And {mi viska kau da gi'e da prami ko} is "Please show me the person who >> loves you". >> [I don't see X and X loves you, I see X and X loves you ... ] -> [I see X >> and X loves you] >> And {mi viska da gi'e da prami kau ko} is "Please be loved by the person >> who I see". >> [I see X and X don't loves you, I see X and X loves you ...] -> [I see X >> and X loves you] >> >> > mi viska da gi'e da prami ko -> viska fa mi da gi'e prami fa da ko > mi viska kau da gi'e da prami ko -> viska kau fa mi da gi'e prami fa da ko > mi viska da gi'e da prami kau ko -> viska fa mi da gi'e prami kau fa da ko > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/p8-IuOMhaOsJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. ------=_Part_1080_28798958.1350025372347 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I see no problem here.

Japanese wa - ga are topic-commen= t markers.
Read the CLL on that. the CLL gives an example from Ch= inese that lacks separate words in this case for that.
But genera= lly it's the same.
{zo'u} can do the trick.
http://dag.github.com/cll/19/4/
On Friday, October 12, 2012 9:18:18 AM UTC+4, .iocikun.juj. wrote:
{mi viska da gi'e da prami ko} is "Please show me the person who love= s you" or "Please be loved by the person who I see".
And {mi viska kau d= a gi'e da prami ko} is "Please show me the person who loves you".
[I don= 't see X and X loves you, I see X and X loves you ... ] -> [I see X and = X loves you]
And {mi viska da gi'e da prami kau ko} is "Please be loved = by the person who I see".
[I see X and X don't loves you, I see X and X = loves you ...] -> [I see X and X loves you]

mi viska da gi'e da prami ko -> viska fa mi da gi'e prami fa da ko
m= i viska kau da gi'e da prami ko -> viska kau fa mi da gi'e prami fa da k= o
mi viska da gi'e da prami kau ko -> viska fa mi da gi'e prami kau f= a da ko

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