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Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] I think I can use "kau" to express Japanese
 "ga" and "wa"
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ki'e la gleki

I think some "wa" can be translate to use {kau} and some "wa" can be=20
translate to use {zo'u}.

{zo'u} is great.
The Japanese sentence "zou wa hana ga nagai" is {lo xanto zo'u lo nazbi=20
clani}.
It mean that noses of elephants are long.
To use {zo'u}, I can translate directly.

zou: elephant
hana: nose
nagai: long

mu'o

2012=E5=B9=B410=E6=9C=8812=E6=97=A5=E9=87=91=E6=9B=9C=E6=97=A5 16=E6=99=820=
2=E5=88=8652=E7=A7=92 UTC+9 gleki:
>
> I see no problem here.
>
> Japanese wa - ga are topic-comment markers.
> Read the CLL on that. the CLL gives an example from Chinese that lacks=20
> separate words in this case for that.
> But generally it's the same.
> {zo'u} can do the trick.
> http://dag.github.com/cll/19/4/
>
> On Friday, October 12, 2012 9:18:18 AM UTC+4, .iocikun.juj. wrote:
>>
>>
>> {mi viska da gi'e da prami ko} is "Please show me the person who loves=
=20
>>> you" or "Please be loved by the person who I see".
>>> And {mi viska kau da gi'e da prami ko} is "Please show me the person wh=
o=20
>>> loves you".
>>> [I don't see X and X loves you, I see X and X loves you ... ] -> [I see=
=20
>>> X and X loves you]
>>> And {mi viska da gi'e da prami kau ko} is "Please be loved by the perso=
n=20
>>> who I see".
>>> [I see X and X don't loves you, I see X and X loves you ...] -> [I see =
X=20
>>> and X loves you]
>>>
>>>
>> mi viska da gi'e da prami ko -> viska fa mi da gi'e prami fa da ko
>> mi viska kau da gi'e da prami ko -> viska kau fa mi da gi'e prami fa da =
ko
>> mi viska da gi'e da prami kau ko -> viska fa mi da gi'e prami kau fa da =
ko
>>
>

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ki'e la gleki<br><br>I think some "wa" can be translate to use {kau} and so=
me "wa" can be translate to use {zo'u}.<br><br>{zo'u} is great.<br>The Japa=
nese sentence "zou wa hana ga nagai" is {lo xanto zo'u lo nazbi clani}.<br>=
It mean that noses of elephants are long.<br>To use {zo'u}, I can translate=
 directly.<br><br>zou: elephant<br>hana: nose<br>nagai: long<br><br>mu'o<br=
><br>2012=E5=B9=B410=E6=9C=8812=E6=97=A5=E9=87=91=E6=9B=9C=E6=97=A5 16=E6=
=99=8202=E5=88=8652=E7=A7=92 UTC+9 gleki:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
eft: 1ex;">I see no problem here.<div><br></div><div>Japanese wa - ga are t=
opic-comment markers.</div><div>Read the CLL on that. the CLL gives an exam=
ple from Chinese that lacks separate words in this case for that.</div><div=
>But generally it's the same.</div><div>{zo'u} can do the trick.</div><div>=
<a href=3D"http://dag.github.com/cll/19/4/" target=3D"_blank">http://dag.gi=
thub.com/cll/19/<wbr>4/</a><br><br>On Friday, October 12, 2012 9:18:18 AM U=
TC+4, .iocikun.juj. wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-lef=
t:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">{mi viska da gi'e da prami ko} is "Pleas=
e show me the person who loves you" or "Please be loved by the person who I=
 see".<br>And {mi viska kau da gi'e da prami ko} is "Please show me the per=
son who loves you".<br>[I don't see X and X loves you, I see X and X loves =
you ... ] -&gt; [I see X and X loves you]<br>And {mi viska da gi'e da prami=
 kau ko} is "Please be loved by the person who I see".<br>[I see X and X do=
n't loves you, I see X and X loves you ...] -&gt; [I see X and X loves you]=
<br><br></blockquote><div><br>mi viska da gi'e da prami ko -&gt; viska fa m=
i da gi'e prami fa da ko<br>mi viska kau da gi'e da prami ko -&gt; viska ka=
u fa mi da gi'e prami fa da ko<br>mi viska da gi'e da prami kau ko -&gt; vi=
ska fa mi da gi'e prami kau fa da ko<br></div></blockquote></div></blockquo=
te>

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