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On Sunday, 14 October 2012 12:22:20 UTC+1, gleki wrote: 
>
> I don't understand. If English "to" has multiple meanings then why should 
> Lojban be polysemous just like English?
>
 
It absolutely shouldn't. One the most appealing features of Lojban to me is 
that each symbol has only one meaning. My point was not that a symbol 
should represent multiple meanings.
 

> But if you want one morpheme for one meaning of English "to" this is how 
> Lojban already works
>
 
But the morphemes aren't spoken, they are implied by the place structure. 
How does this work in practice if a novice has limited knowledge of the 
brivla place structures? And doesn't having to learn the place structure 
for each brivla add more learning load?
 

> There are also short forms of predicates. e.g. {seka'a} is kinda 
> preposition that corresponds to the target of movement, roughly it's 
> English "to". However, it's better to call such prepositions with a 
> Lojbanic term "sumtcita" to avoid references to ambiguous western terms.
>
 
Ah yes I remember reading about the sumti tcita. Are they used in regular 
conversation?
 

> And lastly, I suggest learning Lojban, become fluent in it. Then we can 
> talk about such things in Lojban itself. :)
>
 
I'm working on it ;) Personally I find it useful to discuss new languages 
metalingusitically in order to understand their internal mechanisms.

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<BR>On Sunday, 14 October 2012 12:22:20 UTC+1, gleki wrote:=20
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3Dgmail_quote>
<DIV>I don't understand. If English "to" has multiple meanings then why sho=
uld Lojban be polysemous just like English?</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>It absolutely shouldn't. One the most appealing features of Lojban to =
me is that each symbol has only one meaning. My point was not that a symbol=
 should represent multiple meanings.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3Dgmail_quote>
<DIV>But if you want one morpheme for one meaning of English "to" this is h=
ow Lojban already works</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>But the morphemes aren't spoken, they are implied by the place structu=
re. How does this work in practice if a novice has limited knowledge of the=
 brivla place structures? And doesn't having to learn the place structure f=
or each brivla add more learning load?</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3Dgmail_quote>
<DIV>There are also short forms of predicates. e.g. {seka'a} is kinda prepo=
sition that corresponds to the target of movement, roughly it's English "to=
". However, it's better to call such prepositions with a Lojbanic term "sum=
tcita" to avoid references to ambiguous western terms.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Ah yes I remember reading about the sumti tcita. Are they used in regu=
lar conversation?</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3Dgmail_quote>
<DIV>And lastly, I suggest learning Lojban, become fluent in it. Then we ca=
n talk about such things in Lojban itself. :)</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I'm working on it ;) Personally I find it useful to discuss new langua=
ges metalingusitically in order to understand their internal mechanisms.</D=
IV>

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