Received: from mail-pb0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]:45532) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TNU5h-0007AM-Hi; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 12:43:21 -0700 Received: by mail-pb0-f61.google.com with SMTP id rp8sf3946862pbb.16 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 12:43:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=t+zvw5QJEe5WRh9N1alzDbrl0a8OpM9UewUMSYFZWDY=; b=YF9c0KyqVL3bwjfjyc21uwbPZR4W3nUoBHK9u+BqkOwHQT8o7erv0paWhBs3G9e2eR 79e4RUPXFH88nUETql5ROjoRSO65ZWf7ghG4C09pkIV7WhSTpJ1UQrjAZyNSSSdVmGrk ViC2VfiMduj89Gvy+pjlLvTZI6KkzP5hBcS5WdomUq25pG78lMrH7TmInNfq5xHwUSAF eIJiCGg4MNqVXanD/HyQ/K4PWc1/rjfLcS+lZb6OrHh/Qa0FhZPAHNqPpkC7KELTmqRb 0flvuGHEsvGu0CP8vQ5eVptDPbXncydJJeObC0PGcd+25+4VQQRd8x9rwNs+r8uUAvL4 TZ/Q== Received: by 10.52.175.73 with SMTP id by9mr786432vdc.1.1350243786766; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 12:43:06 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.73.72 with SMTP id j8ls3025509vdv.7.gmail; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 12:43:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.175.5 with SMTP id bw5mr1455368vdc.16.1350243786340; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 12:43:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 12:43:05 -0700 (PDT) From: mashers To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <0000d9a6-f6b5-4164-89e4-452d132f63e5@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Place structure of lujvo MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: mail@mashley.net Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2898_5756353.1350243785286" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_2898_5756353.1350243785286 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks for the replies. I've just been discussing this on IRC and had a similar response, and basically that the place structure is the same order as the sumti are given in the lujvo definition (e.g. "g1 defines t2 into form t1" == "x1 defines x2 into form x3"). While we're on the subject of tamgau, I'm not sure I really understand that definition. The use of the word *into* implies some transformation. That doesn't fit with my understanding of the concept of "definition", which I understand to mean "give a description of the meaning of". The meaning described by the jbovlaste feels more like "conceptualises". -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/nM0Vu2g3stgJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. ------=_Part_2898_5756353.1350243785286 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the replies. I've just been discussing this on IRC and had a sim= ilar response, and basically that the place structure is the same order as = the sumti are given in the lujvo definition (e.g. "g1 defines t2 into form t1" =3D=3D "x1 defines x2 into form x= 3").

While we're on the subject of tamgau= , I'm not sure I really understand that definition. The use of the word *in= to* implies some transformation. That doesn't fit with my understanding of = the concept of "definition", which I understand to mean "give a description= of the meaning of". The meaning described by the jbovlaste fee= ls more like "conceptualises".

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