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On 14 October 2012 12:43, mashers <mail@mashley.net> wrote:

> Thanks for the replies. I've just been discussing this on IRC and had a
> similar response, and basically that the place structure is the same order
> as the sumti are given in the lujvo definition (e.g. "g1 defines t2 into
> form t1" == "x1 defines x2 into form x3").
>
> While we're on the subject of tamgau, I'm not sure I really understand
> that definition. The use of the word *into* implies some transformation.
> That doesn't fit with my understanding of the concept of "definition",
> which I understand to mean "give a description of the meaning of". The
> meaning described by the jbovlaste feels more like "conceptualises".
>

Indeed, {tamgau} is probably inappropriate for discussing definitions of
words. {tarmi} itself appears poorly understood by the commmunity as a
whole.

I usually just use ciksi when discussing what the definition of a word is
(according to ciksi1), but I suppose that {jdice lo du'u makau smuni} could
be used for the sense of "ascribe a meaning to something".

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On 14 October 2012 12:43, mashers <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:m=
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r><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
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Thanks for the replies. I&#39;ve just been discussing this on IRC and had a=
 similar response, and basically that the place structure is the same order=
 as the sumti are given in the lujvo definition (e.g. &quot;<span style>g1 =
defines t2 into form t1&quot; =3D=3D &quot;x1 defines x2 into form x3&quot;=
).</span><div>

<span style><br></span></div><div><span style>While we&#39;re on the subjec=
t of tamgau, I&#39;m not sure I really understand that definition. The use =
of the word *into* implies some transformation. That doesn&#39;t fit with m=
y understanding of the concept of &quot;definition&quot;, which I understan=
d to mean &quot;give a description of the meaning of&quot;. The meaning des=
cribed by the=A0</span>jbovlaste feels more like &quot;conceptualises&quot;=
.</div>

</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Indeed, {tamgau} is probably inappropriate=
 for discussing definitions of words. {tarmi} itself appears poorly underst=
ood by the commmunity as a whole.</div><div><br></div><div>I usually just u=
se ciksi when discussing what the definition of a word is (according to cik=
si1), but I suppose that {jdice lo du&#39;u makau smuni} could be used for =
the sense of &quot;ascribe a meaning to something&quot;.</div>

<div><br></div><div>.i mi&#39;e la tsani mu&#39;o</div><div>=A0</div><block=
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