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On 14 October 2012 14:47, mashers <mail@mashley.net> wrote:

>
>
> On Sunday, 14 October 2012 22:07:41 UTC+1, tsani wrote:
>>
>>
>> I usually just use ciksi when discussing what the definition of a word is
>> (according to ciksi1),
>>
>
> So you could do { la jbovlaste ciksi zo tamgau fo zoi by. g1 defines t2
> into form t1 .by. }
>
>
Yes. (you missed a terminator before {ciksi} however) I'd probably use la'e
before the zoi, too, but I'm not sure if a quote in itself constitutes an
explanation.


> Is that right? By the way, the by. and .by. in that bridi are based on the
> section in What Is Lojban, page 39, on quotations, where quoted non-Lojban
> text is surrounded by {by.} and {.by.}. When I looked this up in the jbovlaste
> it stated that {by} is simply the letter 'b'. So I'm not sure what function
> it serves in this bridi.
>
>

{by} is indeed the letter 'b'. zoi-quotes function by taking a user-decided
delimiter after the word {zoi} itself. After the delimiter, you put any
text you like, so long as it doesn't contain the delimiter, and then end
the quote with the delimiter at the end. Formally, the structure is
zoi [delim] any-text [delim].

The delimiter can be any one single lojban word. That includes full gismu,
lujvo, zi'evla, cmevla, and cmavo.


> but I suppose that {jdice lo du'u makau smuni} could be used for the sense
>> of "ascribe a meaning to something".
>>
>
> I didn't understand that sentence. Please could you translate it for me?
> Even looking up the words in the jbovlaste I was unable to understand what
> it meant.
>
> .u'i Yes, indirect questions in Lojban sure are fun :p
For example {mi djuno lo du'u makau klama lo zarci} -> "I know who goes to
the store." The word {ma} here isn't actually a question, but an indirect
question, which must be marked with {kau}.

Here, the translation is "decide what is the meaning of".

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

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On 14 October 2012 14:47, mashers <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:m=
ail@mashley.net" target=3D"_blank">mail@mashley.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<b=
r><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div class=3D"im"><br><br>On Sunday, 14 October 2012 22:07:41 UTC+1, tsani =
 wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8e=
x;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">

<div><br></div><div>I usually just use ciksi when discussing what the defin=
ition of a word is (according to ciksi1), </div></div></div></blockquote><d=
iv><br></div></div><div>So you could do { la=A0jbovlaste ciksi zo tamgau fo=
 zoi by.=A0<span style>g1 defines t2 into form t1 .by. }</span></div>

<div><span style><br></span></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes. (yo=
u missed a terminator before {ciksi} however) I&#39;d probably use la&#39;e=
 before the zoi, too, but I&#39;m not sure if a quote in itself constitutes=
 an explanation.</div>

<div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><span style></span></div>=
<div><span style>Is that right? By the way, the by. and .by. in that bridi =
are based on the section in What Is Lojban, page 39, on quotations, where q=
uoted non-Lojban text is surrounded by {by.} and {.by.}. When I looked this=
 up in the=A0</span>jbovlaste it stated that {by} is simply the letter &#39=
;b&#39;. So I&#39;m not sure what function it serves in this bridi.</div>

<div class=3D"im"><div>=A0</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>{by}=
 is indeed the letter &#39;b&#39;. zoi-quotes function by taking a user-dec=
ided delimiter after the word {zoi} itself. After the delimiter, you put an=
y text you like, so long as it doesn&#39;t contain the delimiter, and then =
end the quote with the delimiter at the end. Formally, the structure is=A0<=
/div>

<div>zoi [delim] any-text [delim].</div><div><br></div><div>The delimiter c=
an be any one single lojban word. That includes full gismu, lujvo, zi&#39;e=
vla, cmevla, and cmavo.</div><div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div class=3D"im"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margi=
n-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div>but I suppose that {jdice lo du&#39;u makau smuni} co=
uld be used for the sense of &quot;ascribe a meaning to something&quot;.</d=
iv>

</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>I didn&#39;t understand =
that sentence. Please could you translate it for me? Even looking up the wo=
rds in the=A0jbovlaste I was unable to understand what it meant.=A0</div><d=
iv class=3D"im">



<p></p></div></blockquote></div>.u&#39;i Yes, indirect questions in Lojban =
sure are fun :p=A0<div>For example {mi djuno lo du&#39;u makau klama lo zar=
ci} -&gt; &quot;I know who goes to the store.&quot; The word {ma} here isn&=
#39;t actually a question, but an indirect question, which must be marked w=
ith {kau}.=A0</div>

<div><br></div><div>Here, the translation is &quot;decide what is the meani=
ng of&quot;.</div><div><br></div><div>.i mi&#39;e la tsani mu&#39;o</div>

<p></p>

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