Received: from mail-pb0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]:60943) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TNrRa-00027I-EL; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:39:28 -0700 Received: by mail-pb0-f61.google.com with SMTP id rp8sf4861457pbb.16 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:39:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-pair-authenticated:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Wp7oJ+nQE7jHyE61B3f7vr9GfUA1q8fD23oHmOTHYq0=; b=NOHxpmeudXzpZpeCs4sbpNmazVyvZViL9KBs7Un0hKBayumugzFQqY2oaKwMUwz/dW i2vVxL/5a05/ev389nFcPMf5Hd3Y34pISQx7TmDWzFbUnBdnnmdxhYqLn+5/+IqnT4iz A7hiHyA9fwDe+BvH7SdFoXXMbNTtv3HdDM3IeAE6WVZA0Bk9AhOIn9gFNA5nn2ftGDQE ssaNN7gTBeEETbvqpALNLsRyCjWHHd2phYppvTkTM/uZ18TLP2lbvvD3jN005G7piCLV fYNtpSedLsLfskk5Qjn2CoJau0tT9YIA8fGGZOlQ+vNlz8PO6bXGvpv7dWg1kyrTSM7K PP4g== Received: by 10.50.197.165 with SMTP id iv5mr5716917igc.4.1350333556083; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:39:16 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.42.249.136 with SMTP id mk8ls11880739icb.9.gmail; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:39:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.104.166 with SMTP id gf6mr6321877igb.1.1350333555294; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:39:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.104.166 with SMTP id gf6mr6321876igb.1.1350333555284; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:39:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay02.pair.com (relay02.pair.com. [209.68.5.16]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id ba5si1002175igb.3.2012.10.15.13.39.14; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:39:15 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 209.68.5.16 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of m3o@plasmatix.com) client-ip=209.68.5.16; Received: (qmail 73838 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2012 20:39:10 -0000 Received: from 87.160.131.70 (HELO ?192.168.1.33?) (87.160.131.70) by relay02.pair.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2012 20:39:10 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 87.160.131.70 Message-ID: <507C746E.2010308@plasmatix.com> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 22:39:10 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121010 Thunderbird/16.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Phonological assimilation References: <73ff5206-2ca2-46b2-84fd-3d4baefc6574@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <73ff5206-2ca2-46b2-84fd-3d4baefc6574@googlegroups.com> X-Original-Sender: m3o@plasmatix.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.68.5.16 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of m3o@plasmatix.com) smtp.mail=m3o@plasmatix.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Am 15.10.2012 22:31, schrieb mashers: > Am I to assume that phonological assimilation should be avoided when > speaking Lojban aloud? Assimiliation doesn't really happen much in Lojban. You can assimilate=20 [n] before velar -> [N], but [n] is just an allophone of /n/,=20 independent of position. In general, Lojban's letters get translated=20 into phones directly, but each phoneme has a set of allophones which are=20 each independent on position. As long as you realize a phoneme as any of=20 those sounds, you're fine. What kind of assimilation do you have in mind? mu'o mi'e la selpa'i --=20 do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u .i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu .i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi gi'e s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi .i ta=E1=BB=8B bo pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku . --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.