Received: from mail-vb0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]:61035) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TO3Oi-0006Er-3V; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 02:25:16 -0700 Received: by mail-vb0-f61.google.com with SMTP id b23sf2606993vbz.16 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 02:25:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=wsgoLP4z7KCN6sndGq1vZGcNoLUthRGSuj8yuxw3TuI=; b=go+wj9oqTef8V5bh217waLAt2l1TSK6n6PKCCDeUvAFcdVV8nmjK2hFQr1ogaquHsi n6lVeNctY1VtHZXVTJ8qR09tdiApudJF6IJDege1Xm22yRC8Mxfa1nBxerRpekg5/Pa7 uMhmjlSXLQDzNxvk5tcYYtCzkkhI9b2fhQrusKf9OlYTrq7SbP9ReMxFOh7tMvvPCF6z nTXeohyZadwdwe7C10HGuhNDqn7L25/zkpq/jSqeePd/o/en8gkdMKOEZ+aMhAady6mu 2+IQlYxlRNmOdHgkj0nHo2xpSMoVtyZhfVSXVhLw8G2r+ACg//mgAEy8RtmFMy0RuJ0O DMcQ== Received: by 10.52.91.168 with SMTP id cf8mr2167125vdb.6.1350379505363; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 02:25:05 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.89.80 with SMTP id bm16ls4045535vdb.9.gmail; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 02:25:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.29.225 with SMTP id n1mr2182045vdh.5.1350379504891; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 02:25:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 02:25:04 -0700 (PDT) From: mashers To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <16281c3e-cde7-43fb-bde4-8ae1737bd9e6@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <507C746E.2010308@plasmatix.com> References: <73ff5206-2ca2-46b2-84fd-3d4baefc6574@googlegroups.com> <507C746E.2010308@plasmatix.com> Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Phonological assimilation MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: mail@mashley.net Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_178_1149480.1350379504481" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_178_1149480.1350379504481 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Monday, 15 October 2012 21:39:16 UTC+1, selpa'i wrote: > > Am 15.10.2012 22:31, schrieb mashers: > > Am I to assume that phonological assimilation should be avoided when > > speaking Lojban aloud? > > Assimiliation doesn't really happen much in Lojban. You can assimilate > [n] before velar -> [N], but [n] is just an allophone of /n/, > independent of position. In general, Lojban's letters get translated > into phones directly, but each phoneme has a set of allophones which are > each independent on position. As long as you realize a phoneme as any of > those sounds, you're fine. > What kind of assimilation do you have in mind? > Thanks for clarifying. I was actually thinking of [n] before velar, such as in "gunku". I didn't realise there were any allophones in Lojban. This surprises me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/mlQGDFH5Hr4J. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. ------=_Part_178_1149480.1350379504481 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

On Monday, 15 October 2012 21:39:16 UTC+1, selpa'i wrote:
Am 15.10.2012 22:31, schrieb mashers:
> Am I to assume that phonological assimilation should be avoided when
> speaking Lojban aloud?

Assimiliation doesn't really happen much in Lojban. You can assimilate
[n] before velar -> [N], but [n] is just an allophone of /n/,
independent of position. In general, Lojban's letters get translated
into phones directly, but each phoneme has a set of allophones which are
each independent on position. As long as you realize a phoneme as any of
those sounds, you're fine.
What kind of assimilation do you have in mind?

Thanks for clarifying. I was actually thinking of [n] before velar, such as in "gunku". I didn't realise there were any allophones in Lojban. This surprises me.

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