Received: from mail-gg0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]:45331) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TOKdy-0005OS-TQ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:50:18 -0700 Received: by mail-gg0-f189.google.com with SMTP id o6sf5993022ggm.16 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:50:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; bh=FNDP0HYfWjCp1BhC8uvXaGtP1NzygW4h/S1GjBPrHTA=; b=MRIxWkzJVTFvxCXWaS5GMCxYFSvY2981tyDcnUc+rr2+zJapxpA1WYMf8rIUOObzjK ExMyQsq7TCEYmx0YMsiEjGKSvbKYBhgf/gZFX9PeH7QaXbTBixueD7uTAVBmcn7/b/EW A+n4mCv+mvj0uc6v4KB8XJ7L0NfjE6UXm2+iSvd3R0IYAKG1KNuWbliysjeV9ACJJLDs qZXiL3vbzP4eW/4oAXYuNI50r2Tar7cN3CIM87qyF5NPkPT8EyS0BEaIl3qB7V1XBGgi qGJVKOU8pQW42tqMp05OHhNI1FZoFjZnMzJzmFLfmsajsR+Ivlvyius/5JGrd76+4Uw7 J0LQ== Received: by 10.68.223.98 with SMTP id qt2mr2681096pbc.20.1350445800032; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:50:00 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.194.202 with SMTP id hy10ls25204111pbc.0.gmail; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:49:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.79.6 with SMTP id f6mr4545271pax.3.1350445799591; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:49:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.79.6 with SMTP id f6mr4545270pax.3.1350445799582; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:49:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stodi.digitalkingdom.org (mail.digitalkingdom.org. [173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id nt8si671347pbb.1.2012.10.16.20.49.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:49:59 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from rlpowell by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TOKdq-0005OO-Cw for lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:49:58 -0700 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:49:58 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Lojbanic children Message-ID: <20121017034958.GY16989@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com References: <2a53328e-272e-4c2b-ae57-71919c43b796@googlegroups.com> <20121016055446.GQ16989@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <353569C5-9E1A-47F1-A569-3810C2D6A04E@cosmicray.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / As far as I can tell, yes, that's exactly what is happening; babies tend to say "mama", and parents want to believe it's them. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mama_and_papa -Robin On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 11:47:52AM +0100, james riley wrote: > Does this cross language families? Possible explanation: "Child has > said something! It's clearly said my name, it wants my attention. I am > loved by this lump of flesh that has mostly screamed and shat for > months!" > > cmacis > > On 16 October 2012 11:43, CosmicRay wrote: > > My 17-month old has a working vocabulary of around a thousand words or so > > but still reverts to calling her mother "mama" when she's very tired or > > upset, it definitely isn't babbled and definitely isn't something we've > > taught her. Interesting phenomenon that it's so widespread :-) > > > > kozmikreis > > > > On 16 Oct 2012, at 11:17, mashers wrote: > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, 16 October 2012 06:54:49 UTC+1, Robin Powell wrote: > >> > >> Yeah, the only verbal words they know are "mama"[1] and "hi!", both > >> pretty iffily, so I can't usefully comment yet. > >> > >> [1]: It's interesting that we didn't actually say "mama", or > >> anything much like it, to them very much at all. I have a suspicion > >> that those sounds are a human built-in in some fashion. > > > > > > Yep, [mama] is usually part of reduplicative babble demonstrated by infants. > > [m] is a common sound in most languages (and exists in pretty much every > > language on the planet) so tends to be babbled a lot, and often mistaken for > > a word ("mama"). > > > > How much Lojban are you speaking to them? And what other languages are they > > hearing in their environment? > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Lojban Beginners" group. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/iUnTxWQbOMgJ. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Lojban Beginners" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni li'u -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.