Received: from mail-yh0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]:61263) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TSdEf-0001hO-U7; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 17:29:53 -0700 Received: by mail-yh0-f61.google.com with SMTP id o21sf3135618yho.16 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 17:29:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-pair-authenticated:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8DbZBsvBClKa4SwvkfLRf7upQV7Reaxnx0xBNKeUz90=; b=oo7/uX82nrNY32KK2fcXGszUA0A00BmF3GT1koy0yh4m00+s7nVk7Jswv6UcDhX1jW RuH2l/t4B03la50NTzF0oNMKSnjHE2CrDV1wLkbn1mj6LQHAc2iEfpmNjN8cXyMfPiDT jXCdZVxtdvE26gMA5Kk+uAPtHc5G0yiS141o7Vx/PxcbpbhvAD3DIkzzEmTrfVnd2LUe 80V9LvDCEZ/WIeXvKextzcCaZjREbYk/4ukG97u6rS+xmXVm3PJrvW2aUcmJ7wkksIt1 Y0nWz0T94GWUuFMAicpk40p28h7KYnO/RQskoVfwcDMXf6kwm8Sub3CBSOhrQ4lkIMyC kjXg== Received: by 10.50.169.103 with SMTP id ad7mr3596982igc.2.1351470578949; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 17:29:38 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.42.200.69 with SMTP id ev5ls12960186icb.5.gmail; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 17:29:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.43.81.137 with SMTP id zy9mr16989893icb.0.1351470578286; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 17:29:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.43.81.137 with SMTP id zy9mr16989892icb.0.1351470578274; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 17:29:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay00.pair.com (relay00.pair.com. [209.68.5.9]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id hr6si738319igc.0.2012.10.28.17.29.37; Sun, 28 Oct 2012 17:29:38 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 209.68.5.9 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of m3o@plasmatix.com) client-ip=209.68.5.9; Received: (qmail 38362 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2012 00:29:36 -0000 Received: from 87.160.143.122 (HELO ?192.168.1.33?) (87.160.143.122) by relay00.pair.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2012 00:29:36 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 87.160.143.122 Message-ID: <508DCDF4.2090007@plasmatix.com> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 01:29:40 +0100 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121010 Thunderbird/16.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] "Should" and "would" References: <508D9016.1020409@plasmatix.com> <508DB16A.50802@plasmatix.com> <00529889-96c8-476d-ad97-5bae789dd73a@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <00529889-96c8-476d-ad97-5bae789dd73a@googlegroups.com> X-Original-Sender: m3o@plasmatix.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.68.5.9 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of m3o@plasmatix.com) smtp.mail=m3o@plasmatix.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Am 29.10.2012 00:32, schrieb mudri: > You're probably reading the old definition of {.ei}. Its use has > changed > somewhat to make it more useful so that the three examples I gave are > now exactly what you want, that is, they aren't really about obligati= on. > > Where is this new definition? I worry that I'll be misunderstood if > everyone reads ".ei UI1 obligation attitudinal: obligation - freedom". You shouldn't be misunderstood if you use the most common=20 interpretation, which is that {.ei} means "ought to"/"should". You can always check the BPFK definitions (which are technically not yet=20 absolutely finalized, but which are not extremely likely to see any=20 drastic changes either): http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section%3A+Irrealis+Attitudinals mu'o mi'e la selpa'i --=20 do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u .i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu .i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi gi'e s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi .i ta=E1=BB=8B bo pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku . --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.