Received: from mail-yh0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]:35413) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TXBTy-0001n8-Qu; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 05:52:28 -0800 Received: by mail-yh0-f61.google.com with SMTP id o21sf3834089yho.16 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 05:52:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-pair-authenticated:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=v2PlkfNiTSyJ+FPfqttjLfhTMyBNV+sfDEARb9Mr02o=; b=JSbgebMF3kIW1qx14Nm+5uS9FTbEgu3eudIcEKOpAH+Vtx6k8DkxT38oWsQnFH2i4M OSpJODghI0qLIgqdrqF3DyQ3GkIFl9h15QSiUC448zCkyyKhdWWCluJo1k0tdw979P9/ C+qA+YWsmxDsXW8ju3HlvIiATktQaKbrvCRK0qt3RgPPp1G8RTauT7Khx+otLaWWlBMs rzSqrD2uBGshToEVleBie4o2KQ8A3aSxbXZx5dCKPILs6gvwOfP8uQWoQGDrHnXkzPUI /nE+msYPFA6RXCfMP/EHDN5+Pj4ECsQUEiNLCQWfrJW77JXybQvzMYKXG5VVJuKJizn+ 4SuA== Received: by 10.50.45.226 with SMTP id q2mr2164968igm.0.1352555536062; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 05:52:16 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.43.90.135 with SMTP id bi7ls5954756icc.3.gmail; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 05:52:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.213.99 with SMTP id nr3mr2643940igc.2.1352555535033; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 05:52:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.213.99 with SMTP id nr3mr2643939igc.2.1352555535014; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 05:52:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay01.pair.com (relay01.pair.com. [209.68.5.15]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id us14si172849igb.3.2012.11.10.05.52.14; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 05:52:15 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 209.68.5.15 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of m3o@plasmatix.com) client-ip=209.68.5.15; Received: (qmail 56887 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2012 13:52:13 -0000 Received: from 87.160.149.101 (HELO ?192.168.1.33?) (87.160.149.101) by relay01.pair.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2012 13:52:13 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 87.160.149.101 Message-ID: <509E5C10.6070203@plasmatix.com> Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 14:52:16 +0100 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] "Should" and "would" References: <508D9016.1020409@plasmatix.com> <1a4e8250-2c4c-428e-a89d-c2932db22160@googlegroups.com> <5cf31818-40f2-4792-811c-7c37edbbbf14@googlegroups.com> <509E5B85.4010503@plasmatix.com> In-Reply-To: <509E5B85.4010503@plasmatix.com> X-Original-Sender: m3o@plasmatix.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.68.5.15 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of m3o@plasmatix.com) smtp.mail=m3o@plasmatix.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Am 10.11.2012 14:49, schrieb selpa'i: > On the other hand, a sentence without da'i or an irrealis marker is > understood to be asserted. You can be exlicit about the assertive force > on this end of the spectrum and use ju'a, which is by default > (implicitly) present in any sentence that does not contain an irrealis > marker. Or really any other word that changes the basis and/or intention of the=20 utterance. mu'o mi'e la selpa'i --=20 do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u .i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu .i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi gi'e s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi .i ta=E1=BB=8B bo pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku . --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.