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There's nothing particularly "logical" or "illogical" about the choice of
'c' to represent /=CA=83/ (the "sh" sound). It's more a matter of 'c' being
available (since both 's' and 'k' serve for its main uses), and better than
the other letters that didn't get used ('h', 'q', 'w').


On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 12:19 AM, Devin Prater <r.d.t.prater@gmail.com>wrot=
e:

> [coi rodo]
> I am attempting to teach a friend of mine from school how to speak Lojban=
.
> Her native language is Russian, but she basically grew up in a Southern
> English community, so her thought processes, as it seems to me, are a
> mixture of the two cultures. A few days ago, I was trying to get her to s=
ee
> how the diphthongs in Lojban are in fact logical, and how the C is logica=
l
> in the way it is pronounced. I think there was something else she wanted =
me
> to ask about, but I can't remember what it is. Anyways, she basically wan=
ts
> to know how the c is logically phonetic, (she's gotten way too used to th=
e
> English c I'm guessing), but she did observe that the tc makes since if t=
he
> c makes since, but she cannot grasp the need for the c to have the sh sou=
nd
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There&#39;s nothing particularly &quot;logical&quot; or &quot;illogical&quo=
t; about the choice of &#39;c&#39; to represent /=CA=83/ (the &quot;sh&quot=
; sound). It&#39;s more a matter of &#39;c&#39; being available (since both=
 &#39;s&#39; and &#39;k&#39; serve for its main uses), and better than the =
other letters that didn&#39;t get used (&#39;h&#39;, &#39;q&#39;, &#39;w&#3=
9;).<br>

<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 1=
1, 2012 at 12:19 AM, Devin Prater <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:r=
.d.t.prater@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">r.d.t.prater@gmail.com</a>&gt;</sp=
an> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">[coi rodo]<br>
I am attempting to teach a friend of mine from school how to speak Lojban. =
Her native language is Russian, but she basically grew up in a Southern Eng=
lish community, so her thought processes, as it seems to me, are a mixture =
of the two cultures. A few days ago, I was trying to get her to see how the=
 diphthongs in Lojban are in fact logical, and how the C is logical in the =
way it is pronounced. I think there was something else she wanted me to ask=
 about, but I can&#39;t remember what it is. Anyways, she basically wants t=
o know how the c is logically phonetic, (she&#39;s gotten way too used to t=
he English c I&#39;m guessing), but she did observe that the tc makes since=
 if the c makes since, but she cannot grasp the need for the c to have the =
sh sound<br>


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