Received: from mail-pa0-f61.google.com ([209.85.220.61]:42918) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TaEvR-0001lE-G5; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 16:09:30 -0800 Received: by mail-pa0-f61.google.com with SMTP id fa11sf3289533pad.16 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 16:09:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ko0VqyvbonJM+i6JFxeqK6+APk0UXlOagoxmSZ8ajJM=; b=u+tM2KDf/0bfKSexP6IA9mBBOua+OMhiXsITNPAkCXbHNTXX0dZVnJqZOyaIOtFv/P q02IIHGfka3kh7B5OcLvcUByWuPH5nh/dNWfA8mMXgRseXa0l3RuTAmnPlPj+WOAq6EI /IgifgOl7CCVmwH6MfBzeSrkDr5m1O4N3w2MeWA8wJovTNE2l3MlzR44Y5wTZV+3dVW4 yvKAtDwruS4nxtV2ixD7krnzIYkDjteMezj0sHrwGRj0FuR1jAOJFbW6FpL2YncTlfu3 JiVOq+5uf1swM7fcV000kYEGJ7X2JsPIuoAn1MFGXkjiCoV34M72oQtn3YVXwDoVkXu/ dseg== Received: by 10.49.26.35 with SMTP id i3mr596797qeg.31.1353283754711; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 16:09:14 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.82.19 with SMTP id e19ls1970152qey.38.gmail; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 16:09:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.202.234 with SMTP id kl10mr2599131vec.33.1353283753325; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 16:09:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.202.234 with SMTP id kl10mr2599130vec.33.1353283753312; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 16:09:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vc0-f169.google.com (mail-vc0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dj17si626169vdb.1.2012.11.18.16.09.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 18 Nov 2012 16:09:13 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.169; Received: by mail-vc0-f169.google.com with SMTP id fl17so4335378vcb.28 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 16:09:13 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.107.73 with SMTP id a9mr14081240vcp.8.1353283753078; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 16:09:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.7.135 with HTTP; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 16:09:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7993ccf4-52ce-465b-b92f-fadee95d2d30@googlegroups.com> References: <7993ccf4-52ce-465b-b92f-fadee95d2d30@googlegroups.com> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 19:09:13 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] {ko} and {do} with .a-/.e- attitudinals From: Ian Johnson To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0438ed1361f04a04cecdedd5 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d0438ed1361f04a04cecdedd5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I consider it to be: ko > .e'o ko > .e'o do in intensity, with {.e'u} being sort of orthogonal to {.e'o} and {.e'u ko} being kinda weird. mu'o mi'e la latro'a On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 7:23 PM, mudri wrote: > Should {ko} be used in sentences marked with {.e'o}? It's something I see > often (and usually do myself), but {do} is generally used with {.e'u} in > particular. My thought was that, because attitudinals beginning with "a" > and "e" (and some "i") show that the marked text is a hypothetical > assertion, not a real one, using {do} would be the correct thing for the > hypothetical world (in which la'e {do} is actually doing what is said in > the sentence). .iepei > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/TvcWQD5E-v0J. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --f46d0438ed1361f04a04cecdedd5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I consider it to be:
ko > .e'o ko > .e'o do
in intensit= y, with {.e'u} being sort of orthogonal to {.e'o} and {.e'u ko}= being kinda weird.

mu'o mi'e la latro'a

On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 7:23 PM, mudri <jammyatjammy@gmail.com>= ; wrote:
Should {ko} be used in sentences marked with {.e'o}? It's something= I see often (and usually do myself), but {do} is generally used with {.e&#= 39;u} in particular. My thought was that, because attitudinals beginning wi= th "a" and "e" (and some "i") show that the m= arked text is a hypothetical assertion, not a real one, using {do} would be= the correct thing for the hypothetical world (in which la'e {do} is ac= tually doing what is said in the sentence). .iepei

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